Patch Notes 28/05/2021

[Cornerback]

After some reflection I agree with the Nerf Button ban. It was unfair and in the name of making the game more fair I have compiled a list of the following recommendations.

#1 Disable layout editor. Some people re-arrenge it to be more efficient. This is clearly unfair vs the orginal layout.
#2 lock the games video and graphics settings to minimum, also cap the framerate. It is not fair that some players have more ram and a faster loading time.
#3 Ban players from wearing glasses or using other real life aids. You must rely on your natural skill and speed to play, not using additional aids to improve performance. These clearly make the game easier for some and therefore must be banned.
#4 disable key remapping. Some people map thier keys for better access. This is clearly unfair for people who use the vanilla bindings.
#5 Ban all players from using voice chat. The speed at which targets can be called out compared to typing is clearly unfair and must be stopped.
#6 Ban all addons. Some people use unfair addons to get an advatange over those that do not. This is clearly unfair and must be banned.
#7 Limit the amount of bandwidth allocated to each player as some people have better or more stable internet. This is clearly unfair to people with inferiror internet.
#8 Relocate the server's location to the moon. It is clearly unfair in terms of ms ping levels for players not in Europe. This is unfair and must be stopped.
#9 Shut down the forum. Not everyone reads every post and therefore the whole community dosnt have access to the entire debate. This is unfair and must be banned.
#10 Ban me! I'm not exactly the same as everyone else and might have different ideas and or needs. This is clearly unfair.
#11 Ban everyone else. Because they arnt me.
#12 Ban the game. It was in fact always unfair and always will be, therefore it must be banned.

Alternativly, we could break everyones fingers in solidarity with the disabled playerbase to see who has the REAL skill around here.
Regardless which path we choose I think we can all agree:

Job done.

Pure gold

[Spellbound]

After some reflection I agree with the Nerf Button ban. It was unfair and in the name of making the game more fair I have compiled a list of the following recommendations.

#1 Disable layout editor. Some people re-arrenge it to be more efficient. This is clearly unfair vs the orginal layout.
#2 lock the games video and graphics settings to minimum, also cap the framerate. It is not fair that some players have more ram and a faster loading time.
#3 Ban players from wearing glasses or using other real life aids. You must rely on your natural skill and speed to play, not using additional aids to improve performance. These clearly make the game easier for some and therefore must be banned.
#4 disable key remapping. Some people map thier keys for better access. This is clearly unfair for people who use the vanilla bindings.
#5 Ban all players from using voice chat. The speed at which targets can be called out compared to typing is clearly unfair and must be stopped.
#6 Ban all addons. Some people use unfair addons to get an advatange over those that do not. This is clearly unfair and must be banned.
#7 Limit the amount of bandwidth allocated to each player as some people have better or more stable internet. This is clearly unfair to people with inferiror internet.
#8 Relocate the server's location to the moon. It is clearly unfair in terms of ms ping levels for players not in Europe. This is unfair and must be stopped.
#9 Shut down the forum. Not everyone reads every post and therefore the whole community dosnt have access to the entire debate. This is unfair and must be banned.
#10 Ban me! I'm not exactly the same as everyone else and might have different ideas and or needs. This is clearly unfair.
#11 Ban everyone else. Because they arnt me.
#12 Ban the game. It was in fact always unfair and always will be, therefore it must be banned.

Alternativly, we could break everyones fingers in solidarity with the disabled playerbase to see who has the REAL skill around here.
Regardless which path we choose I think we can all agree:

Job done.

Summer hasn't even started yet and population took a massive dip by the hundreds in EU prime and NA prime. No T4 scenarios popped tonight on NA time.
Did a manual count of unique accounts in this thread and the other nerfed buttons thread: 53% were ok with NB in this thread, 72% were ok in the other thread. Whether reason is QOL, didn't think it was cheating or just flat out don't want a population dip and said to leave it, even though they didn't like or use NB.

Was told 95% were for NB nerf but most of us know the guild mates and friends playing other games right now instead and population is heavily down because their static group of friends/guildies aren't online to make a full warband.

Players that are totally unaware chanting "Best patch ever" will realize this is a similar patch that hurt Phoenix pop for good when you change the core way players played the game without a backup Sequence add-on that should’ve been prepared when released NB patch, then it would've been bearable. I'd rather have kept a thriving server w/ heavy pop than this.

[HongTen]

My people already fixed it.

[nonfactor]

My people already fixed it.

the fix goes around on private discords, this is what the devs wanted

[abezverkhiy]

time to keep an eye on our discord then

[Gridgendal]

I have a disability that makes the keyboard Olympics of normal keybinds almost impossible and at the very least painful or debilitating. I can't adapt to not having a sequencer. I'm physically not capable. I don't even care about conditionals, I need keybind consolidation. This NB blocking has put the last nail in the coffin of a game I love and have played here and live since prerelease. You can call it trying to level the playing field or whatever but it's still just discriminator to disabled players. I physically can't handle the number of keybinds required for some classes. What am I supposed to do? I can't adapt because of my disability I will physically hurt myself more. The only option I have as a disabled player is to just not play anymore until this is reverted or someone makes a sequencer that is allowed. I'm also quite aware that in order to break conditional checks the devs would have to break a very large percentage of all addons (any relying on buff/debuff info). So what's to be done at this point? I'm not gonna whine and throw a tantrum and leave. I want to continue to play this game but I see no solution.

By the way, NB was never broken on live because of people with disabilities like me. Conditionals were never broken on live because it would literally break most of the api for addons. The devs need to figure out a some way to make the game accessible for people with disabilities because this is like being banned for having a disability and it's stupid.

So I'm just gonna pop in to discord and chat with guildies and not log into the game until something has happened to resolve this. I can't play the game in it's current condition.

[Kaelang]

I have a disability that makes the keyboard Olympics of normal keybinds almost impossible and at the very least painful or debilitating. I can't adapt to not having a sequencer. I'm physically not capable. I don't even care about conditionals, I need keybind consolidation. This NB blocking has put the last nail in the coffin of a game I love and have played here and live since prerelease. You can call it trying to level the playing field or whatever but it's still just discriminator to disabled players. I physically can't handle the number of keybinds required for some classes. What am I supposed to do? I can't adapt because of my disability I will physically hurt myself more. The only option I have as a disabled player is to just not play anymore until this is reverted or someone makes a sequencer that is allowed. I'm also quite aware that in order to break conditional checks the devs would have to break a very large percentage of all addons (any relying on buff/debuff info). So what's to be done at this point? I'm not gonna whine and throw a tantrum and leave. I want to continue to play this game but I see no solution.

By the way, NB was never broken on live because of people with disabilities like me. Conditionals were never broken on live because it would literally break most of the api for addons. The devs need to figure out a some way to make the game accessible for people with disabilities because this is like being banned for having a disability and it's stupid.

So I'm just gonna pop in to discord and chat with guildies and not log into the game until something has happened to resolve this. I can't play the game in it's current condition.

I wanted to address this message without getting involved too heavily with the NB blocking / changes made.

RoR will always try to be inclusive of all of the players we have here - I pray that nobody playing this game who has been genuinely and negatively impacted by the NB change feels that the dev team were targeting them specifically. I understand that your post is not suggesting you feel personally targeted by this change, albeit the change has impacted your capabilities to play the game.

The NB block was done because the addon was managing two combat components flawlessly together. If there were addons to manage conditional (i.e flashing icons only) OR actions (keyboard programmable keys) separately it's likely there wouldn't be a huge issue with letting something like this run - it's when a singular addon can combine the two capabilities together the line gets crossed.

I wanted this post just to say to you Gridgendal that we hear the NB block has had an indirect effect on those people who rely on the capabilities. We want RoR to be inclusive to all players and will support any addon developers who aim to make this game more inclusive without creating something that becomes the 'norm' based on how powerful the tool created is.

[Brakh]

The NB block was done because the addon was managing two combat components flawlessly together. If there were addons to manage conditional (i.e flashing icons only) OR actions (keyboard programmable keys) separately it's likely there wouldn't be a huge issue with letting something like this run - it's when a singular addon can combine the two capabilities together the line gets crossed.

I wanted this post just to say to you Gridgendal that we hear the NB block has had an indirect effect on those people who rely on the capabilities. We want RoR to be inclusive to all players and will support any addon developers who aim to make this game more inclusive without creating something that becomes the 'norm' based on how powerful the tool created is.

I know we are all living in some sort of bubbles where everything outside of it is kinda strange, unacceptable or even denied by our consciousness. But sir, Have'nt you realized yet that no matter what efforts you will undertake, there will be still NB. Yet not commonly distributed but available for some devs related groups and their friends?

[abezverkhiy]

Good point. Is having a small group of unknown NB-users better than having it available to all?

[xyeppp]

The NB block was done because the addon was managing two combat components flawlessly together. If there were addons to manage conditional (i.e flashing icons only) OR actions (keyboard programmable keys) separately it's likely there wouldn't be a huge issue with letting something like this run - it's when a singular addon can combine the two capabilities together the line gets crossed.

Yeah, no.
I hope you realise how stupid this sounds and how big of a precedent this potentially sets for other addons.

Just because an old promise has been delivered upon us and "we got to reap what we sow" (as I quote from discord) does not mean that it is set in stone and cannot be reversed - I think asking for this proved to be a mistake and should be treated as such.

I don't think RoR is nor ever was in a position to do the kind of things that were/are being done for the health of the game and the benefit of the server.

While attributing population decrease to patches and jumping to conclusions is not the correct thing to do, in most cases the big patches change class mechanics which players will just get used to, or roll a new alt - this patch excludes a portion of the players and there is nothing they can do to play the game now.

We all want the game to thrive and prosper with a healthy online status - why gatekeep the population even further? Especially if done for arbitrary reasons of "we said we're gonna do it 6 years ago". Not to mention people like me and others will continue trying to circumvent the blocks, ending up with private distributions you won't even know about.

I honestly could not care less with it being removed as I did not use it other than double health potting (fixing it being just a personal challenge of mine), but I do see NB as a necessary evil.

In similar vein of RC thread comments - do you really need to reply with 10 pages explaining why something is a bad idea when it appears to be so?