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Dabbart
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Re: Roleback??

Post#51 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:03 pm

plutobhg wrote:UH, yes i would? Im on a reroll toon as it is, im starting from scratch. I have done so multiple times on live while people are already RR80. that is part of this game? I understand its unfair but there MIGHT BE A BETTER FIX is what ive suggested. Rather than losing 10+ hours of mostly grinding and farming for hundreds of us who did not take part or benefit from that. Is it so hard to believe that might be possible?

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BrockRiefenstahl wrote:Some people here act like they want to impress Devs. Dabbard if you have nithing to say beside bullshit reallife comparsions, then you should not reply at all. Beside people who are not amused with this, your kind of cocky bullshit posts does not help to make them feel better.nor does it make the devs givin you a medal. Talk to us on a non insulting basis or let it be. Because you are stealing peoples time not vice versa as you accuse in your crap posts!

hehe. Your hate fills my heart with joy. And there is one D in my name. Lrn2Spell. I utilize analogies, since so many people can't simple read something and understand it. You appear to be one of those people. Feel free to put me on ignore. But no, I will call shenanigans on shenanigans. Deal:P
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warkaiser
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Re: Roleback??

Post#52 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:06 pm

plutobhg wrote:I love this game and im super happy that people are taking the time to keep it up and running at all. That being said, it doesnt make anyone an enemy for speaking up about their thoughts on how to deal with problems like this or frustration against something like this happening. I personally would rather deal with some people having a renown rank/gear advantage in RVR for a bit while possibly figuring out another way to find out who did benefit from the bug and fixing it specifically rather than myself and hundreds of other people losing hours and hours of time and frustration invested. Its not enough to quit over...but it is enough to try to be heard.
The problem with that is those people have an advantage for now, which makes it easier to do more things that give them an even bigger advantage, and the gap continues to grow. Meanwhile they could be doing things like giving items to other people, or alt characters / accounts of theirs, etc. It would become impossible to account for not only the initial issue, but everything they did after with that added benefit. Unfortunately it impacts others as well, but a rollback really is the best solution to eliminate any possibility of anyone benefiting from such issues.

Also, not really directed at you but at people whining in general about a rollback... As others have stated, it's an alpha server. We're testers right now, not players in a full release who are entitled to anything. Gaining max level, being fully geared, becoming the top player, etc shouldnt be your main focus to begin with. Your purpose should be to help find issues such as these so they can be eliminated, by whatever means, so that when we are in a full release it has already been taken care of. Sure, as part of it you're going to eventually max out your toons and all that, but some of you really need to stop stressing over it and just have some fun while doing your best to "break" the game and find issues for them to fix instead of playing it as if it were retail and then throwing a bitch fit every time something doesn't go your way.

Nobody likes to have their time wasted and progress lost, but if you're just going to whine about how you lost a bunch of stuff and all your time was wasted and you're going to quit, etc... then maybe that's the best thing for you since you clearly don't have an understanding of what an alpha means, and are pathetically unaware of the fact that all your "wasted time" was on a video game and does not matter in the slightest to anyone but yourself. If your time is THAT important to you, it might be worth evaluating why 1) you have so little spare time to begin with and b) why you are wasting that time on something as fleeting as a video game. They could shut the servers down next week, next month, in a year, in 10 years... and all the hours you spent would be "wasted" because nothing you are doing in an MMO is permanent aside from the enjoyment you get from playing them and the experiences you share with other players.

If you aren't enjoying yourself just playing the game, then you're the only one wasting your time, not the devs.

Personally, they could do complete server resets on a weekly basis and I wouldn't give a ****. I play WAR for the entertainment I get from PvP regardless of level, tier, gear levels, etc. Those things are just icing on the cake. I'm also well aware that considering we are in alpha, there is a good chance there will be a complete server wipe at some point when it is considered ready for a full launch, so I don't stress about anything being lost. I play for fun, and am just glad to have RoR at all.

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plutobhg
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Re: Roleback??

Post#53 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:12 pm

Tertilus wrote:
plutobhg wrote:UH, yes i would? Im on a reroll toon as it is, im starting from scratch. I have done so multiple times on live while people are already RR80. that is part of this game? I understand its unfair but there MIGHT BE A BETTER FIX is what ive suggested. Rather than losing 10+ hours of mostly grinding and farming for hundreds of us who did not take part or benefit from that. Is it so hard to believe that might be possible?
If it were possible (practical), they would do it. Do you think they don't understand how painful this is to the players? Of course they do! If they say there is no way to fix it outside of a rollback, there isn't.

Everyone, EVERYONE complaining about how "unfair" this is is just being selfish and childish. I swear, I think by far the most difficulty the Devs face working on this game isn't the code itself but rather the petulant adolescents who play it and act like they are owed something. They have given you a gift, free of charge, EVERY TIME YOU LOG IN. If you don't like it you can always go hunt Pokemon or something.
Hilarious, DEVs of any game anywhere anytime have to deal with problems and people expressing those problems and how they are effected by them. Same goes with running any business. Or being in charge of any group of people. If you dont understand this then perhaps you are more of the adolescent than you are projecting everyone else to be.

I do thin they understand how painful it is. And at the same time I think some decisions can be made in haste. And its possible to discuss them as adults. Maybe it would have been better to bring the server down to prevent any further progression from this while figuring out how to roll back Renown and Medallion gain alone? Who knows, it could be 10000 different ways. This is the way it went, and now people will talk about it. Shame on them for wanting to be heard! Spoiled brats!...yeesh man. Lighten up, this isnt bootcamp.

killimandros
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Re: Roleback??

Post#54 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:12 pm

[quote="Dabbart"


ROFL. So, you'd be cool with having toons at RR80 already due to abusing siege equipment, with thousands of emblems/medallions just sitting and waiting to get BiS gear the moment it is released, able to buy whatever they want cause they have 100k's of Gold? Really? You would prefer that over less than a 24hr rollback? I call shenanigans.

They aren't rolling you back weeks and weeks. It's not a wipe. You "lost" a day. Do you actually gain anything from this game? Any RL money being taken from your wallet? Did your GF get taken back with the rollback as well?

I honestly don't understand the complaints... Sounds like some people have very easy jobs/lives... Which I guess might not actually be a bad thing...[/quote]

My BF, with whom im playing with actually went on a huntin trip after second rollback yesterday, so yes, I want a refund!! :C :evil:

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plutobhg
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Re: Roleback??

Post#55 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:13 pm

plutobhg wrote:
Tertilus wrote:
plutobhg wrote:UH, yes i would? Im on a reroll toon as it is, im starting from scratch. I have done so multiple times on live while people are already RR80. that is part of this game? I understand its unfair but there MIGHT BE A BETTER FIX is what ive suggested. Rather than losing 10+ hours of mostly grinding and farming for hundreds of us who did not take part or benefit from that. Is it so hard to believe that might be possible?
If it were possible (practical), they would do it. Do you think they don't understand how painful this is to the players? Of course they do! If they say there is no way to fix it outside of a rollback, there isn't.

Everyone, EVERYONE complaining about how "unfair" this is is just being selfish and childish. I swear, I think by far the most difficulty the Devs face working on this game isn't the code itself but rather the petulant adolescents who play it and act like they are owed something. They have given you a gift, free of charge, EVERY TIME YOU LOG IN. If you don't like it you can always go hunt Pokemon or something.
Hilarious, DEVs of any game anywhere anytime have to deal with problems and people expressing those problems and how they are effected by them. Same goes with running any business. Or being in charge of any group of people. If you dont understand this then perhaps you are more of the adolescent than you are projecting everyone else to be.

I do think they understand how painful it is. And at the same time I think some decisions can be made in haste. And its possible to discuss them as adults. Maybe it would have been better to bring the server down to prevent any further progression from this while figuring out how to roll back Renown and Medallion gain alone? Who knows, it could be 10000 different ways. This is the way it went, and now people will talk about it. Shame on them for wanting to be heard! Spoiled brats!...yeesh man. Lighten up, this isnt bootcamp.

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wargrimnir
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Re: Roleback??

Post#56 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:15 pm

Keep your passions in check. We know rollbacks aren't fun or desirable, but don't let it get too heated or the GM team will need to step in.

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StormX2
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Re: Roleback??

Post#57 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:15 pm

plutobhg wrote: Hilarious, DEVs of any game anywhere anytime have to deal with problems and people expressing those problems and how they are effected by them. Same goes with running any business. Or being in charge of any group of people. If you dont understand this then perhaps you are more of the adolescent than you are projecting everyone else to be.

I do thin they understand how painful it is. And at the same time I think some decisions can be made in haste. And its possible to discuss them as adults. Maybe it would have been better to bring the server down to prevent any further progression from this while figuring out how to roll back Renown and Medallion gain alone? Who knows, it could be 10000 different ways. This is the way it went, and now people will talk about it. Shame on them for wanting to be heard! Spoiled brats!...yeesh man. Lighten up, this isnt bootcamp.

this is a hobby, dont hold them to any standards of a business, especially Paid Game Dev's...

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plutobhg
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Re: Roleback??

Post#58 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:18 pm

StormX2 wrote:
plutobhg wrote: Hilarious, DEVs of any game anywhere anytime have to deal with problems and people expressing those problems and how they are effected by them. Same goes with running any business. Or being in charge of any group of people. If you dont understand this then perhaps you are more of the adolescent than you are projecting everyone else to be.

I do thin they understand how painful it is. And at the same time I think some decisions can be made in haste. And its possible to discuss them as adults. Maybe it would have been better to bring the server down to prevent any further progression from this while figuring out how to roll back Renown and Medallion gain alone? Who knows, it could be 10000 different ways. This is the way it went, and now people will talk about it. Shame on them for wanting to be heard! Spoiled brats!...yeesh man. Lighten up, this isnt bootcamp.

this is a hobby, dont hold them to any standards of a business, especially Paid Game Dev's...
This is true, and I wont be holding them to any standards. However as this is an alpha and they are all actively working very hard to make this game even more awesome while dealing with bugs like this. I think its very important for everyone to keep an open forum for discussion and suggestions. Anger, sarcasm, and other attitudes really don't help with that. I'm simply trying to advocate that.

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Coffeemakes
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Re: Roleback??

Post#59 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:55 pm

The dev's donated their time bringing this marvelous universe back to us on the
PC. With that being said, and knowing that they do not accept donations for their work on this project, us accepting a roll back or wipe somewhere down the line is the least we could do to pay them back in some way,
and help them make it a better bugfree game for us all in the future.
As they stated they mostly all have jobs+families like us and manage to make time to work on this even with their real life duties. If the Rollback indeed does occur, I will just be Consuming a lot more Extra Strong Coffee that's all as i start the Metamorphosis process once again, and transform from my Magus larval stage on the battlefield, back into the powerful,handsome, goliath of a Magus that I currently am at the moment.
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redjah
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Re: Roleback??

Post#60 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:05 pm

I'm sure we can expect more rollbacks now considering this developer Azarael is severely incompetent and just spams in general chat etc more than do things properly..

The server needs to be taken OFFLINE the moment there is an issue like this bug , take the time to fix the bug , than rollback once if needed and put the server back online.. instead , we've had 3 rollbacks consisting of roughly 14+ hours of wasting time. and an inventory wipe . And he still doesn't know if its fixed and may need more rollbacks soon..

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