BG buffs to be more inline with IB?

[TenTonHammer]

only class that can make itself immune to detaunts

For some reason only RoR staff brings that up. I'm yet to meet a single BG that wastes a point on that tactic.

The RoR staff didn't bring this up, it was me and my point was about the BGs general anti-caster potential not a single tactic, but i guess picking a few words from my post to place them out of context was intended.

The same tactic has been removed from the BO in the past, probably because it was useless.

It's still an over rated pugging tactic, Bg is not "valued" for it's anti caster abilities indicated by it's lack of presence in parties and general undesirability

no one is clamoring for a Bg because of undetaunt, out going HD, and high disrupt with tactic, HTL and wp buff

Undetaunt may be useful in oRvR due to aoe nature of detaunts bit in that scenario, Bg is about applying CD debuff to the enemy and not really about damage

[Luth]

The tactic has it's uses in certain game environments, which is all what i mean. I didn't write that it is a must have for every BG, as people seem to think.

Besides that, the more important part of my post was about this formerly suggested lunatism:

potential 5 second knockdown on parry (or even parry and disrupt)

As i fail to see, in my function as a simple player, how this should be justified/balanced.

[TenTonHammer]

The tactic has it's uses in certain game environments, which is all what i mean. I didn't write that it is a must have for every BG, as people seem to think.

Besides that, the more important part of my post was about this formerly suggested lunatism:

potential 5 second knockdown on parry (or even parry and disrupt)

As i fail to see, in my function as a simple player, how this should be justified/balanced.

Becuase of the nature and requirements of SS, one thing we need to realize is that said 5s KD will not be their at the start of the fight, me make statements like "oh slap on a guard and you'll be fine etc", the reality is that its no an absolute promise unlike every other tanks kd due to need to build hate while blowing hate and other factors means that your not necessarily promised a ready to use 5s kd when you need a KD additionally unlike IB kd you don't even have the benefit of a shorter cd

Granted there is no denying that the 5s kd is a powerful tool and that it and the core punt is the 2 unique things that BG brings


Now back to the subject at hand, the requests for parry based kd was based on a desire for 2h Bg to have acess to a KD, the playstyle severely lacks cc the loss of the KD cc is huge and their is little potential for specing into WoS and even then thir is little demand for the ability and I think were all at this point, past thinking otherwise

SS should remain as is but BoR should be made into a cave in mirror with requisite for 2h

[peterthepan3]

Make BoR a 3 sec kd as per sm/bo/ib versions.
Make CD not require a 2h.

Think even these changes would go a long way as a means of facilitating to the 2h bg, i.e. as the class ought to be (similar to high elven counterpart, SM)

[Tesq]

Make BoR a 3 sec kd as per sm/bo/ib versions.
Make CD not require a 2h.

Think even these changes would go a long way as a means of facilitating to the 2h bg, i.e. as the class ought to be (similar to high elven counterpart, SM)

No point ppl spec more happily 2h the problem it's that BG is not good in 2h as a SM.
IB is a tank that can go fully s/b and loose.nothing, bg should be a 2h tank.with out loose nothing; that way destru would have a main 2h tank too.
The parry tactic need imrovement need to potentially cover dodge so that 2 tactic ( the second being malekit bulwark) can directly reduces all inc dmg as a sm with a spamable channeling does.
The kd should also require parry instead being reduced to 3 sec

[Frontenstuermer]

At all, oathfriend has much more advantages for the person who get it.
furthermore the BG needs hate to increase his defend(like parry or disrupt).
The IB hasnt this problem because his defence abilities use AP or Tactics.

But the IB has to slot a tactic for his abilities to build Grudges

You dont need any tactics to really become grudge.
You get it from your oathfriend and you get it if someone hits you.
To understand and see the abilities i leveled a Bi a bit and had a look with anywheretrainer and websites.

So at all, the gamemechanic for this class is not equal.
My BG gets 3% parry for each 10 hate.
If you use a shield and an ability you loose really fast hate and def.
This goes up and down.
For an IB its easy going to get a constant defend(pls add this lovely blocktactic with damagereduce).

So from my Point of view, the IB is really a wall to defeat.
The BG isnt it.

[GodlessCrom]

I would play a black guard with blade of ruin as cave-win mirror. Would we mirror the dot portion as well, or maybe make it do more direct damage?

@tesq 2h tanks being weaker to ranged is just part of the territory. 2h Ib isn't all that survivable against rdps either. That being said, if you want BG to be the quintessential destro 2h tank, giving them an easier way to stack dodge/disrupt might be the way to do it.

Of course, we run the risk of making snb BG irrelevant, but if everyone else is fine with that, then so be it. Shields are lame anyways :p

[megadeath]

Of course, we run the risk of making snb BG irrelevant,

It already is. BG gets 5% base block and 10% more from renown. And thats it. You max out at 15% block.

[GodlessCrom]

I mean, it's as irrelevant as any BG, but isn't the goal to make all specs viable? Or at least, all reasonable specs? For all that tesq says SM is the 2h tank, a lot of the good ones play snb :p And for all that IB is so survivable with a shield, a lot of the good ones go 2h Because both specs are fun and viable, to one extent or another.

[TenTonHammer]

A cave in mirror would make 2H Bg more viable in relation to SnB BG as no longer would we decry the playstyle due to the lack of hard CC

but it wouldn't address the inherent issues BG already suffers from I.e ability redeundency, the power of morale pump

Not that we shouldn't pursue the suggestion to make 2H Bg viable