Best players in the game (RoR server)

[Grulo]

Why do some people say Ivashka is the best sham? His damage and heal numbers on scenes are pretty low.

It's not about the numbers. SCs count overhealing atm,so it's not rare to see bad players with huge numbers (most from overhealing of course).

As for damage numbers, let's just say that healers are not DPS. So it really doesnt matter even if his damage is 0.

[Telen]

Too true. Mythic didn't seem to understand that if the mechanic of a class is limiting instead of beneficial (such as SM/BO), the class' abilities had better be stronger than average to make up for that. This doesn't appear to be the case for SM/BO. Still makes me laugh that Chosen Ravage damage matches Cleave, but Ensorcelled Blow has lower base damage than Gryphon's Lash.

Yeah I absolutely love proper class mechanics like war had. Alot of mmos just have different playstyle, abilities or buffs. swtor went with different ap management styles.

War though had proper mechanics that meant every class had something totally unique that affected everything. I always think mechanics should be beneficial and class defining. The bw/sorc as flawed as it was with explosions not really a drawback in groups was a fantastic mechanic. Made the class.

Compare that with SM/BO or even WL with its totally broken pet ai. Why mythic never fixed these mechanics when they could have been the highlight of the game is beyond me.

If it ever gets to the point that they want to improve the game. Start there. Make each class defined by their mechanics and make them a real benefit. Not a drawback or something you might as well not have on the hotbar.

I remember building an archmage that could use the spellweaving style. Had both the crit bonuses, the extra mechanic point on a crit and the chance to not use stored mechanic. Had in mind a healer that could throw a couple of nukes every few gcd. Started leveling. By t3 realized it was useless. Might as well ignore the mechanic. Ended up as a gimped bw. My tabletop class. Gimped by a useless mechanic. Then tried SM my second fav TT class. The horror. Then 3rd retard lion. Mythic hates elves, unless they are half naked emo chicks.

[Nishka]

Why do some people say Ivashka is the best sham? His damage and heal numbers on scenes are pretty low.

It's not about the numbers. SCs count overhealing atm,so it's not rare to see bad players with huge numbers (most from overhealing of course).

As for damage numbers, let's just say that healers are not DPS. So it really doesnt matter even if his damage is 0.

Being DPS healer makes him even worse. And even if he was good when he was a trial toon on the live server, it was only because of tals and superior gear. Now, when everybody is in much more equal state (all players equally have no renown, no tals and no pots) he can't do much. He can't heal, can't damage and without tals and armor pots he is easy to kill. Best shaman in the game? I don't think so.

[Azarael]

The only thing I notice Ivashka for is the little game we seem to have going of him Bunch o' Waaaghing me to see how long it takes me to taunt him out of it.

[Telen]

Ivanshka best sham?
Damn. The good players really have moved on then.
Muschroom is where its at with Shammies.
Melerquides was good too.

[Grulo]

Being DPS healer makes him even worse. And even if he was good when he was a trial toon on the live server, it was only because of tals and superior gear. Now, when everybody is in much more equal state (all players equally have no renown, no tals and no pots) he can't do much. He can't heal, can't damage and without tals and armor pots he is easy to kill. Best shaman in the game? I don't think so.

I never said he was the best shaman in the game. I was just pointing out the flaw in your logic; bigger numbers don't make you the best player. Not in healing and not in damage.

[Nishka]

SM/BO mechanic is actually beneficial, they get one 0 ap hit every 3 hits, no?

The only thing I notice Ivashka for is the little game we seem to have going of him Bunch o' Waaaghing me to see how long it takes me to taunt him out of it.

I love interrupting his channeling too

[Azarael]

I'd prefer being able to have +35% critical chance and +100% critical damage in exchange for damaging myself sometimes.

[Grulo]

SM/BO mechanic is actually beneficial, they get one 0 ap hit every 3 hits, no?

Sometimes every 2 if you use Changin'da plan or Sudden Shift (i think that's the SM's equivalent?). In the case of BOs, they have THC which is a powerful channeled attack (that costs 0 AP). SMs have ED.

However, their CC skills are also tied to plans. What if you need to use a KD on someone but aren't on the correct stance/plan? Same with punt and snare. Trust me, it sucks.

[Azarael]

Even if no AP on one skill every 3 (assuming you want to use that skill) were even considered useful, it doesn't begin to make up for the fact that the mechanic is a drawback - it just means the mechanic nerfs the BO/SM a bit less, instead of being a buff as it should be.