Am I affraid of BW combo? nope, fought it in the great war against phalanx 2-3 fg, greek 2fg+ grand alliance bitterstones 3-4 fg, cntk 3-4fg + pugs, + rus blob overlap sometimes... Phalanx knew game and how to use BW.
Phalanx used morale pump and co-ordinated morale 4 better than any others... you guys cry so much about m2 without even bothering to think of counter plays... if you didn't spam CC all the time on CD and give free immunities that would be a good start, but i shouldn't be the one having to do your work for you and increase your knowledge and understanding...
I mean if destro pugs was outnumbered for many months/a year and had no organised warbands... I would write up a guide for destro pugs also, I support underdog with no realm alegiance... the Two guilds I respect most are Bitterstones and NRM.
Bitterstones are more hardcore than even us, despite them being roleplayers, they put up all the time no matter the setup... so its kinda shameful for a organised warband player to cry more than a roleplayer who is hard handicapped by being a racial only warband fighting a min/maxed destro wb... we don't give dwarfs no quarter, that would be disrespectful, we treat them like everyone else but on rare occasion we will stand to the side and salute / watch.
NRM are our only legitimate allies, and our one main threat besides mass... we have history together
then there is others i can respect for different reasons, like cntk what they did for us in the past, and how they keep trying even with broken setups... i know they carried order for awhile and was never appreciated. A fair share of puggies don't like guild groups (except when they are right behind them or zone locks), they dont understand how everything works.
But alot of people on both sides are ungrateful and salty, we help provide more action, just its only a problem when you are on the recieveing end? we are there to be beat, we don't win every fight. We aim to have fun, test things, kill, die
OP i think you do not know the logitics required to run a proper warband, you do not know how much energy is needed... we play to the strengths on either realm that's how it is.
Because you do our destruction warband a great dis service if you think the only reason we ever kill you is M2 on BW... we have killed groups on either side without morale plenty of times... because we know what we are doing and more often than not assist better than you do (generally... due to experience and synergy, thats it) its the same with 6 man boybands vs non 6 man boybands, their assist and experience in that playstyle is greater so of course its going to be more on point.
I am experienced leader, with experienced group, with some of BIS gear and min-maxing or aiming towards... our discord is a archive of knowledge and theorycraft. OP cry about us and he don't even run BIS gear/setup, complainers don't even do tank basics 100% and are high RR ... you the complainers should look internally before externally about complaining problems. You just want easy option, you want enemy neutered... when Phalanx could one shot me with a co-ordinated morale 4 with morale pump within 20 seconds... and at max range despite me being one of the highest RR/Defensive tanks RIP wounds cap... i was like bring it on... not boo hoo big bad Hao plz nerf. That is how you come across to me, it was a tool they had and used at a cost of other things they could of brought, destro have their own tools... if you do not fully utilize these then that is on you the player... not on order, or dev's, but you and your group.
If you can't beat something you want to nerf it, you don't want to adapt or improve. BW setup has its strengths and its weaknesses, we play to its strengths and try to cover its weaknesses as any right minded leader would... you play random and you don't try counter weaknesses in combat besides forum whine.
Check out our plenty of old destro videos, you will see that destro had no problem playing against organised BW's...
We put months into leveling, gearing, training... we adjusted our original setup and don't do same thing over and over. We ain't invincible, if we play sloppy we die just like last night it was partially my fault as lead and partially warband fault in one fight north of ms, but sometimes I give away a fight or so a night and don't mind to test things and learn, its part of game, you win some, you lose some.
If we put same amount of dedication into training and gearing another setup... we would still beat you in a one vs one enviroment, would just be alot less effective in horde mode fighting which is what we aim for on either realm so no point. Horde mode or nothing is how we play, to make it more challenging. That is where the fun is at, seeing how many you can take on before glorious death in a last stand is the name of the game.
It just looks like perception issues to me, you want to just zerg pugs (and us)... you don't want organised oppotistion, although your guild wanted us to move order and fight you, now you want us to be neutered because we show you the difference between broken order warbands, and a full guild order warband with a proper setup. You was not complaining when you was zerging us with NRM and rest of destro in avelorn a few weeks ago... you only complain when numbers are even and you die. This shows your true intentions, you do not search out fights like we do... you want easy gains. We move across realms for fights and balance, that is how commited we are, that is how we improve... we move because of your zerg ways, three organised guilds is too much for order, its like TUP/NRM/Porn factory back in the day was doom and gloom for order... when they had more organised guilds. Now its TUP/NRM/PNP is too much for order, we don't want to hand hold vs even numbers or pugs... thats not fair on order.
You make us put in extra work, and you complain that we put in extra work... because you die, you rather pvdoor zones than take on a challenge. It is a huge challenge to play both sides and get the balance just right when community is fragile... it puts us in hard position and sometimes awkward too... like last night is good example of this, after too late ostland, good fights high pass, praag, we take 5 min break, then i took about 5-10 minutes sorting out warband admin more than usual... we outnumbered destro a little at the start, but the thing was, some destro split from main zone and went to side zone... that is not our fault, eventually I think they came, so sometimes can be hard to judge.
But in your destro complainers mind aslong as destro get a few kills no matter how they get them (zerg) and a few zone locks... doesn't matter about order's fragile morale and zone population, and strength/morale of their guilds and them thriving or disbanding. I talk to both sides and help out which side needs it most, I don't play favourites... if i did we would always be destro on our originals. But the organised full guild warbands, you have number 1-2-3 all on destro if we play on destro too... does that mean Nerf destro? nope, that just means commitment levels on bigger scale are more, so teamwork is more. Order is more casual... you know what happens when committed meets casual? It means someone committed needs to boost casual from time to time so they don't quit and it becomes zzzzzzzz.
The best individual fights for us are against our allies NRM, I do not want to zerg them, but i also don't want to zerg with them, we sometimes are too strong together and **** block one another decreasing the amount of action and fun to be had per a evening... and that is partially due to our good chemistry and lack of organised order who can equally match that combo that worked together during the great war.
It's not the classes is the issue, its complainers mindset that is the issue. Look at our old videos on destro maybe you learn a thing or two from observing properly. Both side's can compete... we are not gods, we are not impossible to kill, we bleed like the rest... we just dust ourselves off after every death and look for more, that is the difference... we don't spend time complaining, we spend more time fighting or searching for fights when other people go to different zones to avoid us (not taking shots, just speaking facts)
Order didn't cry this much about us and we farmed them alot longer, they just knew they was outplayed because we put in more effort behind the scenes and as a guild... bro we have to do twice the amount of pve as you... that is not easy when people have RL commitments.
Our destro warband and sorc's have no problem killing more than bw's also. Also whats next you want to nerf our Engi's because they kill more than our BW? LOL... So its not a realm imbalance, it is a organised one(which is a player one) and we go to weaker organised side to help stabilize / stop the rot / exodus / improve... and with release of new content/gear/xp event, it's helped do just that. Order zerged pretty hard yesterday before we started, we was going to show up on destro to stop such zerging... but NRM/PNP already dealt with the zerg before we arrived, order failed a keep attack and lost over 50 players from their zerg... maybe some of these players swapped sides to follow NRM/PNP... so we have to show up on order side and we did so in good numbers but too late in Ostland to stop that but already made a impact and then destro numbers start to fade because they met some resistance...
See the fragileness of order, 50 players RIP from JUST ONE failed keep attack from zerg. How much longer do you think that realm would hang around if TUP joined destro, right after they lose 50 players... and then have to face 72+ organised destro players... the fighting would easily be over before 9pm that is boring.
probably same goes to Sorceress KB tactic - you want keep your enemy in AoE Damage not to kick him away... brain please use it.
