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Dwarni
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Re: This game needs serious changes for players that reach 40 in 2020

Post#51 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:56 pm

hammerhead wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:26 pm upd. And in addition, if you are really so bad, you can simply stand behind the wall and lich rr. Before you get into the organized party/wb, no one will demand the supernatural from you.
No thank you, as I said RvR is the most boring content in this game for me and I won't just stand behind a wall and leeching rr lol. And at least my stats in <40 scs showed often that I am not so bad, I am for sure not a very good player but being mediocre in this game often means you are still a lot better than a lot of other players.

I sometimes have the feeling mostly the worst players want to keep it like it is because due to the gear advantage even bad players can kill low geared good players. Just my guess :lol:

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Re: This game needs serious changes for players that reach 40 in 2020

Post#52 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:10 pm

The game seriously need to tell new players (in the gentlest way possible) that you should be at least RR40, preferably close to RR50, once you hit CR40.

It makes the catching-up so much easier and less painful.
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hammerhead
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Re: This game needs serious changes for players that reach 40 in 2020

Post#53 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:34 pm

Dwarni wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:56 pm
hammerhead wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:26 pm upd. And in addition, if you are really so bad, you can simply stand behind the wall and lich rr. Before you get into the organized party/wb, no one will demand the supernatural from you.
No thank you, as I said RvR is the most boring content in this game for me and I won't just stand behind a wall and leeching rr lol. And at least my stats in <40 scs showed often that I am not so bad, I am for sure not a very good player but being mediocre in this game often means you are still a lot better than a lot of other players.

I sometimes have the feeling mostly the worst players want to keep it like it is because due to the gear advantage even bad players can kill low geared good players. Just my guess :lol:
You completely missed the point. In this game, it doesn't matter how good you are individually. In this game, RVR is the heart and soul and the most valuable thing, and high-level content is a tool. If you need to dominate in individual quality, there are a tons of games with a more even balance, ladder, and where you can even buy yourself a high level and not torture yourself or others.
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Dwarni
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Re: This game needs serious changes for players that reach 40 in 2020

Post#54 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:23 pm

hammerhead wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:34 pm You completely missed the point. In this game, it doesn't matter how good you are individually. In this game, RVR is the heart and soul and the most valuable thing, and high-level content is a tool. If you need to dominate in individual quality, there are a tons of games with a more even balance, ladder, and where you can even buy yourself a high level and not torture yourself or others.
Let's see who started making it about individual skill:
hammerhead wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:26 pm upd. And in addition, if you are really so bad, you can simply stand behind the wall and lich rr. Before you get into the organized party/wb, no one will demand the supernatural from you.
Oh wait you did...

The team wins that has on average better-equipped players and secondly better-skilled. If all players suck in a wb they won't probably win against a wb made out of good players, but maybe I am wrong and it is just completely random and decided by rolling a dice.

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Re: This game needs serious changes for players that reach 40 in 2020

Post#55 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:12 pm

Dwarni wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:23 pm
hammerhead wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:34 pm You completely missed the point. In this game, it doesn't matter how good you are individually. In this game, RVR is the heart and soul and the most valuable thing, and high-level content is a tool. If you need to dominate in individual quality, there are a tons of games with a more even balance, ladder, and where you can even buy yourself a high level and not torture yourself or others.
Let's see who started making it about individual skill:
hammerhead wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:26 pm upd. And in addition, if you are really so bad, you can simply stand behind the wall and lich rr. Before you get into the organized party/wb, no one will demand the supernatural from you.
Oh wait you did...

The team wins that has on average better-equipped players and secondly better-skilled. If all players suck in a wb they won't probably win against a wb made out of good players, but maybe I am wrong and it is just completely random and decided by rolling a dice.
Ops, lost in translation. In the original connotation, the phrase sounded like if you have a bad game or a bad feeling from the game (I don't know how to translate it exactly). And it was a reaction to the part of the phrase where supposedly bad, but high-level players protect the system that gives them an advantage. But at the same time, these players had much more difficult times to be where they are. And even if you are one of 1000, then there will always be average players around you, therefore in group content, in general, coordination around some strategy is more important(regardless of the equipment, which still decides and must decide otherwise, where is the element of progress?).
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Re: This game needs serious changes for players that reach 40 in 2020

Post#56 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:30 pm

CountTalabecland wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:04 pm If you use the reduced XP scrolls and surf in open wbs, it is incredibly easy to ding rank 40 around rr50, throw on full conq, most if not all of genesis, and subjagator weapons.

That loadout will make you competitive in any warband for ORvR. Sure you won't beat city warbands in full sov but, thats endgame.

IDK what all this "fresh 40" nonsense ppl are talking is about, atm, you are most vulnerable mid 30's when bolster is weaker and you are in anni gear or less. That's the hard part. Dinging 40 means your career level is no longer holding you from equipping things or using all your renown points.
Agree with mosts of hat you say, expecpt that using scrolls will not get your Conq / Genesis / Subj gear because they do not show up in bags till CR40 making this change to CR32+ (keeping same equip requirement) or tie to Annihilator unlock will make the transition to CR40 much better. Should as easily get into Conq gear at CR40 as you can anni at CR35. But currently, you can not.

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From 30 - 39 you are basically not gaining anything towards character advancement. Annihilator is equipped at 35 with 36-39 having 0 gear advancement. Flips = Officer / Bags = Annihilator etc. Low level gear from blue/purple bags
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Re: This game needs serious changes for players that reach 40 in 2020

Post#57 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:43 pm

Akalukz wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:30 pm
CountTalabecland wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:04 pm If you use the reduced XP scrolls and surf in open wbs, it is incredibly easy to ding rank 40 around rr50, throw on full conq, most if not all of genesis, and subjagator weapons.

That loadout will make you competitive in any warband for ORvR. Sure you won't beat city warbands in full sov but, thats endgame.

IDK what all this "fresh 40" nonsense ppl are talking is about, atm, you are most vulnerable mid 30's when bolster is weaker and you are in anni gear or less. That's the hard part. Dinging 40 means your career level is no longer holding you from equipping things or using all your renown points.
Agree with mosts of hat you say, expecpt that using scrolls will not get your Conq / Genesis / Subj gear because they do not show up in bags till CR40 making this change to CR32+ (keeping same equip requirement) or tie to Annihilator unlock will make the transition to CR40 much better. Should as easily get into Conq gear at CR40 as you can anni at CR35. But currently, you can not.

EDIT"

From 30 - 39 you are basically not gaining anything towards character advancement. Annihilator is equipped at 35 with 36-39 having 0 gear advancement. Flips = Officer / Bags = Annihilator etc. Low level gear from blue/purple bags
You can get genesis sub 40, same goes for Conq medals. I think you are right regarding the set pieces in the bags, I don't recall, I think I straight up bought all but one piece last time I leveled a healer. Can't recall on subj either but at least you have easy scen weapons to get and with the way gold bags work now subj is easy once you get to CR 40.

And you're right, they should drop the level reqs down to minimize time stuck in Anni.
Brynnoth Goldenbeard (40/80) (IB) -- Rundin Fireheart (40/50) (RP) -- Ungrinn (40/40) (Engi)-- Bramm Bloodaxe (40/83) (Slayer) and a few Empire characters here or there, maybe even an elf.

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hammerhead
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Re: This game needs serious changes for players that reach 40 in 2020

Post#58 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:14 pm

Never used an experience reduction scroll and always came out 40/50 in anihilator / ruin / beastlord blue sc or influence weapon. Recently, even epic quests and tome unlock juverly do not need to be done. Everything is at the auction for reasonable money so as not to wear green things.
Recently I took up my Slayer, it was probably the first or second character made back in 2015(16 dont remember). I only lvl it in pve when there was not even t4 and used it only for farming. As a result, when my hands reached him at level 40, he had less than 30rr. It was such a pain that it is difficult to convey. I could not wear anything from the RVR things and went with the alliance to the hard PQ, plus a few things from the gundab. And this despite that I have alredy have couple 80 and 70 character (and bunch of lowbe). Why ask someone should it be easier than me? Learn to enjoy the process and the result will be doubly valuable.
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Re: This game needs serious changes for players that reach 40 in 2020

Post#59 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:50 pm

There's a number of things you can do before you hit 40 to close the gap between fresh 40 and Vanq gear.
-The Ruin set is great for both snb tanks and mdps classes
-Check the wiki for certain tome unlock jewels and see which ones you need the most (winds impervious for healers/tanks for example)
https://wiki.returnofreckoning.com/inde ... _and_Items
-Grab some cheap talis of the AH and slot your gear, sure you will replace these items pretty fast, but investing into talis can help you bridge that gap easier.
-Check the t4 epic quests and see which of the weapons will suit you the most (2h tanks want to grab the parry proc one)
https://wiki.returnofreckoning.com/inde ... pic_Quests
-Some lair bosses also drop alright weapons, Gutslime is a great starter staff for sorcs for example.
-Never go around without a pot running

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Re: This game needs serious changes for players that reach 40 in 2020

Post#60 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:27 pm

hammerhead wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:26 pm
upd. And in addition, if you are really so bad, you can simply stand behind the wall and lich rr. Before you get into the organized party/wb, no one will demand the supernatural from you.
Isn’t that what melee dps already does?

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