elighten me: why do we need so many grinds?

[Druin]

This. I don't care about SC emblems/weapons or RR, but make leveling easier please. All us altoholics will very much appreciate it.

I am on the opposite, the xp grind is not so bad for me, i have fun queuing scs from level 1 and turning in kill quests, gives good money and a decent xp rate.

However i am very much against tying the commom rvr gear like sc weapons and rvr sets behind absurd grinds.

Those should be the gear that anyone who spends time in rvr should be using, if you want to put gear behind retarded grinds, find something else that is not the rvr set and the sc weapons, at the current cap for example "of the weird" items, purple ones would be the best, not much of a stat gain and would let people satiate their "progression" thirst.

**** up everyone because some people want progression is a big no no however.

if u dont want grind - go play moba. This is mmo and grind should be exist. Especially if it is a pvp grind.

This is funny because League of legends is 1000 times the grind War on live ever was.

If you're lvling doing Scs from 22-26 you should have a ton of Emblems already...

[bloodi]

If you're lvling doing Scs from 22-26 you should have a ton of Emblems already...

I guess the part where i specifically said the problem was that the gear i am grinding for should be the common rvr gear everyone has was too hard to understand for you?

[Druin]

If you're lvling doing Scs from 22-26 you should have a ton of Emblems already...

I guess the part where i specifically said the problem was that the gear i am grinding for should be the common rvr gear everyone has was too hard to understand for you?

The common rvr gear is the one you can buy from the vendor and most of it is pretty decent.

[Evildoor]

IIRC, devs said that there will be no 90-100 sets/weapons/etc. So, if 40/80, Sovereign and 75 sc weapons will be the cap, i'm fine with it and can't call it a grind, although i would not mind if exp/rr/everything else gain will be sped up a bit.

More important problem, IMO, is a balance between XP and everything else. From my point of view, if you do only PVP, then:
1) In low tiers you should be able to get everything you can use at your lvl. For example, in T2 at lvl 20 you should have RR at least 20, enough emblems to buy at least two 1h weapons (or twohander), enough medallions to buy full obliterator (no implemented yet) and enough gold to buy mount and green items from vendor.
2) Currently 26 is a cap, so it's okay that lvl 24 scenario weapons are a bit hard to get, but in the future the prices should be reduced if needed.
3) When everything will be implemented, you should, by playing only PVP, arrive at lvl 40 with 40 RR, full Invader (or whatever set will be decided to be available at lvl 39-40), lvl 39 scenario weapons, etc. There you start farming your lvl 45 weapons, Warlord, etc.

What do we have now?
1) In T1, scenario weapons are easy to get, but you HAVE to play scenarios - fine for me, but i think that hardcore RVR fans don't like this. Only way to get medallions for Decimator (without exploiting) is to lock zones, and lock system is somewhat confusing, because you pretty much need scenarios to lock, but if you go to scenario yourself you can miss a zone lock.
2) In T2, obliterator and medallions are not available yet. SC weapons should be easy to get with 2 emblems per win instead of one, but same problem with RVR players being hurt. We need some reliable way to get emblems from RVR and (in the future) medallions from scenarios.
3) XP/gold quests are nice, but i think they should also give renown/emblems/medallions. On many of my characters i had to stop doing quests at some point, to keep my renown/emblems(it was before patch with 2 emblems, dunno how it will be now) at high enough level.

[bloodi]

The common rvr gear is the one you can buy from the vendor and most of it is pretty decent.

That is the gear i equip before stepping into RvR, once i spend a minimal amount of time in it, i should have rvr set, hell, in Live you would get Boots and Gloves from the AH or from a player drop before you even could equip them.

This is how it was on Live, its how it should be here, RvR sets are available and equipable for anyone who spend any minimal amount of time in RvR, not for people who did nothing but grind.

If you want to give options to those people, dont make it the rvr sets, the influence gear or the sc weapons.

[Morf]

So many grinds ? only grind i see is sc weapons and that is hardly severe. Max level can be reached in a few days, week if casual at which point vendor items are more then enough to be competitive, rvr inf rewards are easy obtained.
Im not a vastly experienced gamer but go try other mmo's and maybe you will have a different opinion. **** i spent months in archeage leveling my craft skills and was no way near top tier.

[Ashaj]

What´s the harm in actually having to spend some time to max your char? It´s not like you need months of careful planing and hoping someone doesn´t blow you up along the way sending you back to your nearest station minus your implants (Eve Online anyone?) ...

There are games way more grindy than WAR and if you keep playing, sooner or later you´re gonna wind up with a maxed char anyway. What do you do then? Start the next one and do the same thing over as soon as you get tired of running about killing stuff without getting any reknown for it, be it orvr of sc. C´mon ppl we did the same **** on live anyway so why complain now? Compared to 40/100 26/40 isn´t really that big a deal and who here hasn´t had at least 1 40/100 and X lower chars? You didn´t expect to kill many 40/100 with a 40/40 so why cry about 26/40 being stronger than the rest, we´ll get to T4 eventually.

Btw, I feel like lots of the discussions spread around the forum are kinda pointless to some extend as they mostly focus on T2 (as long as people can stop insulting each other for an insightfull post or two...)

Besides, say you get a "perfect" 26/40 char, you´ll still get your ass handed to you cause you can´t play. (I know, everybodys different but the majority of ppl will not own immediately with a new char whether it´s maxed or not) So use the time you spend on getting to max on actually playing your char and not getting lvled to 26 and then wonder why everyones kicking your ass 24/7 till you hit RR40.

You don´t have to be a genius to get to R26 while keeping your RR 1-2 lvl higher and "starting" full time pvp with 26/28 is not that terrible. Sure, depending on the class RR40 makes a varying difference but you´ll get there sooner or later anyway...

PS: GW2 sucks, WAR rules
PPS: Just throwing my 2 cents out there, not targeting anyone, so if anybody feels personally offended by this post, your own fault

[boog]

Need to be level 26 maybe. Renown rank 40? Just to compete? Maybe if u r terribad. I think my highest rr toon is 24 and I have 0 difficulties.

[backrow]

Once I've gotten rr40 and all the best stuff on my WL I am not playing him as much... I don't mind the 'grind' especially since neither rr40 nor the SC weapons are such a big deal. I've seen undergeared lvls 23-24 farming a lvl 26-35+ premade.

[Nameless]

i lvl up solely from sc's and killing quests so i would love to see quest exp reward increase. The thing is that there is some exp lvl gap at 13-20 and 23-25 that should be made more easy to move through. And by increasing killing quests exp reward you encourage ppl to level by pvp or at least participating at killing players instead of brainless mobs.