Changelog 07/09 (Keeps / BOs)

[Razid1987]

Back after a few months break. Good to see updates are still coming

[Renork]

I don't understand the change. Players can still aoe through walls (engs + m2 and now bw's), yes destro can do it as well but we are much less efficient and lack the tactics/morale to do the same as Order. So why encourage more keep defense if los has not been fixed? My intention is not to come off as an ass, but where is the fun of trying to take a keep and getting obliterated by 5-10 engies spamming m2 + blunder blast through the wall? the damage is not insignificant by any means and is very difficult to heal.

[Soulcheg]

I don't understand the change. Players can still aoe through walls (engs + m2 and now bw's), yes destro can do it as well but we are much less efficient and lack the tactics/morale to do the same as Order. .

You catch my attention here, Renork. What exactly Order can do better firing through walls, that Destro can't? What tactic and morale do you need?

[Razid1987]

Honestly, Im so tired of this "the other faction does this, and we cant do the same"-talk. It's in every single mmo. It's so old.

The differences between the factions are minimal. Even if Order is at an advantage now, destro probably is at a later point, or have some other advantages. Can't we all just stop this pointless pointing of fingers and just try to enjoy the game? :/

[Renork]

I don't understand the change. Players can still aoe through walls (engs + m2 and now bw's), yes destro can do it as well but we are much less efficient and lack the tactics/morale to do the same as Order. .

You catch my attention here, Renork. What exactly Order can do better firing through walls, that Destro can't? What tactic and morale do you need?

Compare 5 engies using Unshakable focus (100% more damage for 7s) blowing you up through the wall vs 5 magus using lash through the wall.

Bombing BW's can slot Wildfire and spec for SF (insta). At the current meta that > sorc bombing. Especially if we're talking about wall bombing.

[Soulcheg]

So it's the only Magus vs Engi?

[Razid1987]

I don't understand the change. Players can still aoe through walls (engs + m2 and now bw's), yes destro can do it as well but we are much less efficient and lack the tactics/morale to do the same as Order. .

You catch my attention here, Renork. What exactly Order can do better firing through walls, that Destro can't? What tactic and morale do you need?

Compare 5 engies using Unshakable focus (100% more damage for 7s) blowing you up through the wall vs 5 magus using lash through the wall.

News flash: The classes aren't completely mirrored!

There are gonna be spikes of power for certain classes at certain levels. Just... deal with it. It balances out in the end. No one wins.

[Renork]

So it's the only Magus vs Engi?

Considering there's 3x as many engies as magus. How many magi kill you during a keep take or defense? most likely...none (:

[war666hammer]

i'd roll back all changes made today and try again. I can't see playing as it is. the war camps are full like i've never seen since i started here. Something went wrong. I know its hard thankless work but someone has to say this was a step back.

[Renork]

So it's the only Magus vs Engi?

Considering there's 3x as many engies as magus. How many magi kill you during a keep take or defense? most likely...none (:

I don't know if math is your forte or not, but i'll do a simple break down.

Assuming decent resists...let's assume during UF an eng hits you through the lord room for 300 (and 300 is very low but lets just go with that), multiply that 3 engies (and we all know there's always a stupid amount of them during siege). So that's 900 you're eating through the wall. ON TOP of everything else attacking you. Now multiply that by a real amount of people who plays engies. There you go. Add bw's on top of that and it just becomes lol.

If you disagree with my point, then explain why Order waits at a keep while destro waits at the other currently.

Edit: Now use REAL numbers, 5+ engies hitting you for 400+, that's 2k through the wall. Add in some rain of fire + wilfire procs + spreading flames, bye bye warbands. I get that musical keeps is annoying, but getting killed through the walls is worse.