GM's hate him! Community "troll" exposes abuse

[peterthepan3]

Ade at it again with the indirect jabs aimed towards the 6man community

[Bacta]

Inconsistency of enforcement seems to be the main problem we're hearing about, and I agree that it exists, especially along the Order/Destruction divide. My presence alone on Order side, moderating chat, means that Order players have their chat firmly divided according to channel, whereas with Destruction things are much more loose.

Honestly I feel like destro chat is a prefect representation of what an mmo chat should be, theres banter, trolling, call outs etc etc, people do get crazy but then comes in the GM to clean it up, I think its actually good.[/quote

The amount of toxic behavior i have seen on both sides during different times of the day is astonishing, I don't agree such toxic behavior is healthy for the server.

I'll also admit that there are some struggles in which I do not wish to get involved. In the end, I want to look at the balance of the game, and that relies on me personally having a cordial relationship with the better players. I mentioned on the previous page that in cases like this I would prefer to step back and allow another member of staff to deal with the issue, but it may be the case that we simply don't have enough members of staff (or enough willing ones) to handle these issues.

Going to go out here and say that you believe the most toxic players are the best players? Im not sure what you define as being a better player but from this im gauging you mean the 6 man crowd, which I find surprising, but I could be wrong here, but I do find it quite disturbing if playing in a 6 man suddenly ( perhaps ) seems to give you more leverage in the way you can treat people ( could have read this entirely out of context here )

I think you took what he said out of context.

I myself would actually like to see the GM team expanded and sanction guidelines posted publicly to the forum, so that there are enough GMs to both remove the ability to influence major GMs and to cover more offenses. Unfortunately, there has historically been a lot of complacency regarding how many GMs are enough to have... and I guess the fact that it falls to the lead developer to personally handle a topic regarding the affairs of a department he doesn't even manage is quite telling.

I think that after this thread and the ones before it, its pretty much an ideal time to try and implement these things, especially a locked forum where bans can be seen publicly so we can actually see what's going on within the community and have fair say.

I don't think it needs to be publicly posted. If an issue arises and a post it made that's what logs are for...GM's shouldn't feel the need to defend there actions especially if the offender knows what they did is wrong. Majority of bans don't even get brought up on these forums. Just a few who think they are above the rules.

[Azarael]

Ade at it again with the indirect jabs aimed towards the 6man community

The thread is going in a more civil and positive direction, and if at all possible, I'd prefer that to continue. It is undeniable that some members of the 6 man community (and with this I do not imply yourself) have displayed quite some attitude.

I don't think it needs to be publicly posted. If an issue arises and a post it made that's what logs are for...GM's shouldn't feel the need to defend there actions especially if the offender knows what they did is wrong. Majority of bans don't even get brought up on these forums. Just a few who think they are above the rules.

We considered all of this already and came to the conclusion that all bans of 1 day or more should still be posted, with action history if necessary. One of the reasons for this is that while players may not foster resentment using our forum directly, they do in fact do so elsewhere (by misrepresenting to their guild and to other players in other areas of the Internet). This is something we wish to avoid.

[Xumae]

Even if you sent Azarael a PM with the entirety of this post, I'm sure the only reason he did was to let you make an idiot out of yourself. What did you really hope to accomplish with half of your post being filled with random quips from staff members taken out of context?

I already had you on ignore because your posts are far more awful than any of the '****posting' that goes on. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

y- ya, what he said

[bloodi]

Ade at it again with the indirect jabs aimed towards the 6man community

This is just like Penril and Tenton claiming that everyone used "run away" as an excuse for everything.

The only one who brings this up in every single topic, is you.

[Ade]

Ade at it again with the indirect jabs aimed towards the 6man community

Nothing like that at all, and if anything has been shown its that 6 mans seem to get treated differently just because of the fact they are a 6 man, I speak with people in the 6 man community quite often ( even one in your own very guild ) and have nothing against them, some of them are actually extremely pleasant people, its just certain toxic individuals that like to **** all over others and get away with it constantly that I dislike.

Just a general observation but I do find it quite funny how certain individuals have not been banned given their toxicity towards other players daily, while some get banned for something as silly as a name.

As someone who gets called toxic quite often, i gotta say that there is some people who use this word rather loosely.

You're right, and I have also been subject to this before even tho it was taken out of context, sometimes people just like to jump on the bandwagon.

[Euan]

So you banned me for just telling a GM the player was perfectly right to post what he posted, he didn't do anything bad at all and it wasn't even something serious because you have a problem with me? You think that makes it better? That doesnt' seem fair to me.

Magicthighs even went as far to edit his post.

You discredited me when I shared my experiences and even when presented with actual proof (noisestorm) they're just disregarded.

I really don't understand where you even get that I'm a troll or zealot. I'm obviously passionate about the game and wish it was better so I give my input. It might not be the way you like it but I usually post things relating to. I don't always like how you write things or what you write but I accept it and try to understand the message behind it. If you read messsages between us, there's always been with some thought behind it and some understanding towards your views. As I mentioned before, I didn't really want to do this, it's a chore and not only that I would be blacklisted. I mailed you before that I am not out to get the staff. I've offered to help, and you might not agree with me but would I do a good job? I think so. I would act professional and I'm sure the rest of you would let me know right away if I was doing something wrong. Getting some info and answering questions and/or regarding bans is hardly power and it can be taken away as easily as it was given. There is literally nothing to lose.

[lilsabin]

the people playing destro are the same playing order... wasjust passing through

[peterthepan3]

Ade at it again with the indirect jabs aimed towards the 6man community

The thread is going in a more civil and positive direction, and if at all possible, I'd prefer that to continue. It is undeniable that some members of the 6 man community (and with this I do not imply yourself) have displayed quite some attitude.

fair enough mate.

[Ade]

Going to go out here and say that you believe the most toxic players are the best players? Im not sure what you define as being a better player but from this im gauging you mean the 6 man crowd, which I find surprising, but I could be wrong here, but I do find it quite disturbing if playing in a 6 man suddenly ( perhaps ) seems to give you more leverage in the way you can treat people ( could have read this entirely out of context here )

I believe that some of them are, yes. And you're not reading things out of context much - that's practically what is happening. It's no secret that I'm one of the prime enforcers on both the forum and in game, so if I decide I don't want to get involved in something for what are essentially political reasons, there isn't really anyone left who is willing to cover it, as far as I can see.

I find this quite saddening, but its nice that you are honest about the situation, I suppose this is an issue for the GM staff to sort out.