Choppa spec?

[Penril]

It shouldn't. I haven't tested it cause i never felt the need to do it though. If it does it is a bug.

As for Rampage ignoring Confusing Movements, is that true? (you can see i haven't played a mdps in a long time).

Is it the same for Shield Wall? (you can also see i don't play SnB tanks that much).

[Fallenkezef]

Not a big fan of Rampage lately, but mostly due to me playing a tank and the slayer being like "trololol i dont care about your 70% parry or block". So kinda a 1v1 issue. So, declining myself...

BUT if i could do anything about it, i'd rather change/nerf Rampage instead of giving it to Choppas.

I really don't see this as a 1v1 issue.
Confusing movements, for example, is a huge part of your defensive measures (not only for choppa) and a slayer just completly shitting on a Morale ability by just using a selfbuff with way too much uptime is a thing that should not exist.

I'm also on your side, i'd rather would like to see this skill changed then mirrored. I think it should be a "Elite Training"-like buff for the next 4 or 5 hits and not just a 20 seconds "i **** on your defense" ability.

I'd say tanks are somewhat biased in this regard.

[GodlessCrom]

If its undefendable, i dont see how confusing movements or shield wall would stop it. Im fairly certain all undefendable attacks go through them.

[Bozzax]

Wot rules dont increase damage so it is a wasted tactic.

If you take it you have about 5s to fire off some finishers on yellow to make up the 10% dmg drop (100% uptime) of wot rules.

As a chp in a grp setting you only ever slot stuff that increase damage (and or burst).

[szejoza]

My bad about PA/RB, didn't notice the damage is the same (cause, well, I'm not using them at all ) so skip what I wrote about it

And guys, instead of thinking how to nerf rarely played classes so they match each other why not try buffing them (where choppa obviously needs much more love than slayer) so they can are not considered 'trash-class'

[Bozzax]

Not a big fan of Rampage lately, but mostly due to me playing a tank and the slayer being like "trololol i dont care about your 70% parry or block". So kinda a 1v1 issue. So, declining myself...

BUT if i could do anything about it, i'd rather change/nerf Rampage instead of giving it to Choppas.

Nope not a 1v1 thing. Works exactly the same way on muliple melee with aoe + ID. Ramp likely is the strongest damage increasing ability in game (by a wide margin).

Still You dont fix chps by nerfimg slayers though

Btw to avoid mirroring was also why I proposed making Keep on choppin a 10,20/30cd finisher with chp self penetration buff instead of ap (no real value)

[Tesq]

too detrimental without a fully dedicated Guard/Healer. You just die way too fast.

I am only interested in premade/balanced warband specs. In both, you should always have a dedicated guard/heals.

the only minor way to use wot rule is going aoe with CD decreae tactic and spam finisher always staying in red; wb spec.... since you haveprobably a hold the line wall and you hit anything around you tough the tactic(s) tax is so heavy which make very few worth the spec; slayer can do the same meh build but he had not need since, can just rampage everything trade meccanic malus in pure win; wot rule need choppa fasta to be spamable and always active to work, instead require to spec a the 5 CD tactic. Even that it will be functional but then it will require further dmg increase cuz as a build still dont shine for dmg considering you are a 100% update time nude berserk

Not a big fan of Rampage lately, but mostly due to me playing a tank and the slayer being like "trololol i dont care about your 70% parry or block". So kinda a 1v1 issue. So, declining myself...

BUT if i could do anything about it, i'd rather change/nerf Rampage instead of giving it to Choppas.

be my guest you know who can only make a proposal for change a slayer skill? a slayer rr 40 player...(i cant level all order toon altogheter for make proposal....)

rampage is not wrong by default is the value as always which is imba,,,, look slayer and choppa have a 50% debuff block/parry skill so why does he THEN have a buff which make him:

ista rage drop (for few ap and not reqwuire any near target)
ignore 100%
20/30 sec
plus work in aoe build????

this is madness it always was, the only single counter is shatter ench which need to bypass all those hots etc....

rampage should be flat 25% ingore , half the max st debuff in game which is 50% and that way it will still be like hit at furious with a 25% dmg sao while you are furious you are hitting with rampage avarage dmg as a berserk slayer with out the 50% debuff

same goes for shatter limbs, slayer does on 9x ppl what choppa +Bo do on 2x ppl this si crazy; aza shatter limbs nerf done nothing shatter limbs should be flat 2 second whatever it hit...(same squig). there is no any common sense of balance on slayer between st and aoe. Slayer do AOE what all other classes do ST-

choppa is another talk he have keep on chopping while slayer have a genering buff for all build ( rampage) which even nerfed would still be better and he have git to da chopp which do real contribution exept on gank and basically need a rework and then choppa fasta was also nerf so there is no point in spec anything right now.

choppa fasta need to be an asset for the chopp alone since the BO mirrored the SM and slayer mirror squig on CD stuff choppa fasta need a heavy and powerfull rework, is pretty clear what choppa lack

keep on chopping need to go, git to da chopp need to go on keep on chopping spot and he need a real aoe big skill on 13 pt on aoe mastery. choppa fasta , keep on chopping at have zero sense cuz they bring zero synergy to aoe builds.

It shouldn't. I haven't tested it cause i never felt the need to do it though. If it does it is a bug.

As for Rampage ignoring Confusing Movements, is that true? (you can see i haven't played a mdps in a long time).

Is it the same for Shield Wall? (you can also see i don't play SnB tanks that much).

not sure it done in live, same as spellbreaker removing morales absorb or itiems , im not sure it does here it should not still torque said soemthing (?) not sure; who spec shield wall anbyway does even make sense ..... slayer will **** you the rest of 50 second. If that is only for counter rampage in place of raze even more reasons....

btw here there are some beta choppa skills which may be nice to have back maybe , penrl are some of these even in current client ? http://forums.goha.ru/showthread_0_0_t1 ... ta+version

[Penril]

By the way, I just had a KotBS proposal... asking for a KotBS nerf.

So yeah, it is entirely possible a Slayer makes a "nerf Rampage" thread one of these days.

[Tesq]

By the way, I just had a KotBS proposal... asking for a KotBS nerf.

So yeah, it is entirely possible a Slayer makes a "nerf Rampage" thread one of these days.

ppff look pig will fly (classic) before that wil happen....is not possible change the rules of balance section to allow at least opposite mirrored class (aka choppa<>slayer) to do nerf proposal cuz is unlikely ppl will do proposal to nerf their class (maybe with rr 60 instead 40 ???)

or waith 2 month till i level up a 40 slayer... since i always have to do all the work....

[Penril]

I will change a few rules soon. You might not like them though...