Why is Destro the way that it is?

[Boomie82]

In forts it is slight in favour of order, but it is not 70% like destro wins in the city.

im not sure about this
destro is extremly bad in forts

[Xae]

"Better melee ball" order zerglings still believe this lmao

Destro zerglings still believe city winrate is due to their superior skills and not balance issues

That isn't at all what they say in game.

They usually say that Order premades beat destro premades, but that destro has more premades.

Its amazing how both factions spin it so that they are disadvantaged.

[Vri]

I don't believe Rain of Fire is stacking. If you have time, please run into the nearest area where a dozen Bright Wizards are casting Rain of Fire and stand in it. Make sure to move around and jump and stuff too so we get all the details possible. Turn on your combat log and your timestamps, maybe make a video or stream it live on Twitch.

After you die, make sure you have a healer rez you up, so you can go test it some more. I'll even help out by playing my Bright Wizard for a while.

This is why i love this community. I also miss reading ban appeals with my morning coffee.

[Jastojan]

I'm a new player to this game. I'm going to say, that as a new player that wants to play Destruction, this post is EXTREMELY discouraging... like very. I don't mind playing the Underdog but good grief if they lose as frequently as is described here, I can't blame people for switching to Order.

This topic is ironic (see. why is order the way it is- concerning low city winrate of order). In oRVR main thing is numbers/number of good premades, class balance is almost non-influentian. In forts it is slight in favour of order, but it is not 70% like destro wins in the city.

If you want to play destro, play destro. you will have easier time in cities due to better melee-ball, cc abilities and better synergie between classes, thus acquiring endgame gear easier and having more fun overall.

I do intend to continue playing my Destruction toons. I enjoy the Destruction atmosphere and not to mention their classes. I don't really like the Order side of things. I will admit though, reading these constant "doom and gloom" threads about how poorly Destruction is endgame or how they are outnumbered and lose at everything is discouraging. Especially, when my goal is to be at a point to enjoy myself in these large scale rvr experiences. I'm a new player and I suppose that may not mean much, but I will continue my crusade to bring Chaos and Destruction upon my foes. Thanks btw for taking the time to respond.

So, welcome on destro side then! If you like your class, you will enjoy it I think (if it is no marauder - marauders have to live in fear of unexpected nerfs or "buffs" unfortunately xD ). Anyway you will enjoy paling destro No matter if destro will win more zones or not. I remember days when destro won most of zones but now it is order who is wining. When it comes to "destro is much stronger in cities"... I do not play cities - I hate them. I just dont have fun playing them (boring after first battle: 8 of 10 cities, no matter if I was in pug or premade). On the other side I dont care if we are "losers" in lakes right now because aao is on our side (mostly) It is a nice satisfaction if you want to rank up your toon So play what you like and enjoy it!

[CountTalabecland]

Destro is funny. They can win 10/15 instances or better each city and then still find so much to whine about.

If you can't win with GTDC and MSH then idk what more you want. I'm sorry that forts are the one part of the game that is hard for you?

[farng84]

Destro is funny. They can win 10/15 instances or better each city and then still find so much to whine about.

If you can't win with GTDC and MSH then idk what more you want. I'm sorry that forts are the one part of the game that is hard for you?

Lol I would add that about 75% of each victory is due to GTDC, just to be fair to the choppas. that is why you can find heard of choppas charging and spamming GTDC everywhere...they leave behind only death and sorrow (I mean their death and sorrow after getting butchered by anything in game btw).
Seriously mate...
Yes, destro is strong in city, but organised and well rounded premades don't want to fight each other because none of the two sides is sure to win in city.
Order premades are at least as strong as destro premades.
There are more destro premades than order premades.
Population swing to destro side around city time (which might aid forming more premades).
I had my hardest fights against non meta Order premade (including IB, WH, dps AM and all that other non meta stuff), also because we were not sure on how to tackle some of the things they did as they were not a standard fight.
GTDC is good in few situations, mainly if the enemy is routing or if you are surrounded by order at 1-2% health (two moments where any aoe from any class would do the job), but during the main clash it mainly gives free immunity to the other side...how do you win through that skill?
Those are more balanced statements (and more honest).

Also people talked about all oRvR (so forts and zones), which is about 90% of the game...Yep, no reason to complain since destro has easy time in cities

[xruptor]

So, welcome on destro side then! If you like your class, you will enjoy it I think (if it is no marauder - marauders have to live in fear of unexpected nerfs or "buffs" unfortunately xD ). Anyway you will enjoy paling destro No matter if destro will win more zones or not. I remember days when destro won most of zones but now it is order who is wining. When it comes to "destro is much stronger in cities"... I do not play cities - I hate them. I just dont have fun playing them (boring after first battle: 8 of 10 cities, no matter if I was in pug or premade). On the other side I dont care if we are "losers" in lakes right now because aao is on our side (mostly) It is a nice satisfaction if you want to rank up your toon So play what you like and enjoy it!

Yeah although I've been in quite a number of scenarios that have lost on the Destruction side, I didn't think it was that bad. You win some you lose some. Granted yes "winning" is nice but I still get a kick out of trying. I've come across quite a number of helpful and fun players on the Destruction side. I'm sure it's a "the grass is greener on the other side of the hill" scenario. I suppose there will always be folks that just do herd mentality and only play the "winning" side or "steamrolling" side as many folks in this thread mention. Not much of a challenge, but I get it. If any of you see me in Destruction, feel free to say hello and such! I've really been enjoying this game, it's fun!

[xruptor]

Still continuing to level up and play, but I've been in quite a number of battles on forts and scenario and it seems pretty even to me now. In fact we have even sacked the order capital city of Altdorf a few times. It really does seem like a Pendulum and it swims both sides in terms of tides of wins and losses. I'd say continue playing Destruction if you enjoy the classes and atmosphere. You are going to have some losing streaks, it happens. Fun fact being in a guild helps because PUGS are pretty terrible in scenarios.

[Mordd]

Still continuing to level up and play, but I've been in quite a number of battles on forts and scenario and it seems pretty even to me now. In fact we have even sacked the order capital city of Altdorf a few times. It really does seem like a Pendulum and it swims both sides in terms of tides of wins and losses. I'd say continue playing Destruction if you enjoy the classes and atmosphere. You are going to have some losing streaks, it happens. Fun fact being in a guild helps because PUGS are pretty terrible in scenarios.

Order tends to win more SCs from what Ive seen. its nothing to do with balance, Destro just refuse to play the objectives. They want to win by kills and thats not how many SCs work. Someone needs to make all destro read a guide on how to play Thunder Valley for example.

ORVR is population driven and that goes back and forth over weeks. Go back a month and destro was pushing two zones at a time for several weeks.

Forts favor the high engie population and better aoe of the BW over the single target of sorc and lower magus pop for defending.

Cities the pendulum is broken and in the corner crying. Organized WBs is closer but both sides even, destro normally wins. pug vs pug isnt even close normally. If both pugs are somewhat balanced setups destro wins easily. Its just easier on destro side to ball and win. They are fixing many bugs and unbalanced abilities but its on going and due to how long this has gone on there is now also a gear gap, with destro being better geared.

[xruptor]

Still continuing to level up and play, but I've been in quite a number of battles on forts and scenario and it seems pretty even to me now. In fact we have even sacked the order capital city of Altdorf a few times. It really does seem like a Pendulum and it swims both sides in terms of tides of wins and losses. I'd say continue playing Destruction if you enjoy the classes and atmosphere. You are going to have some losing streaks, it happens. Fun fact being in a guild helps because PUGS are pretty terrible in scenarios.

Order tends to win more SCs from what Ive seen. its nothing to do with balance, Destro just refuse to play the objectives. They want to win by kills and thats not how many SCs work. Someone needs to make all destro read a guide on how to play Thunder Valley for example.

ORVR is population driven and that goes back and forth over weeks. Go back a month and destro was pushing two zones at a time for several weeks.

Forts favor the high engie population and better aoe of the BW over the single target of sorc and lower magus pop for defending.

Cities the pendulum is broken and in the corner crying. Organized WBs is closer but both sides even, destro normally wins. pug vs pug isnt even close normally. If both pugs are somewhat balanced setups destro wins easily. Its just easier on destro side to ball and win. They are fixing many bugs and unbalanced abilities but its on going and due to how long this has gone on there is now also a gear gap, with destro being better geared.

The only real issue on Destro side I've come across is a lack of healers in scenarios or rvr sometimes. It seems that when folks play a healer on Destro like a Shaman, they just go for DPS majority of the time. Also as DOK I've seen them not heal and DPS as well. I suppose they figure since they have 2 blades they can just run in and DPS? Instead of heal? There have been times where Destro has ignored the objective, but I've seen this for both sides as well. It varies if it's a group of random pugs or it at least has a guild group. Otherwise it seems the same to me.