Enough with Order outnumbering Destro

[Dackjanielz]

You could get rid of gtdc and order would still get farmed during eu prime time. Likewise you could get rid of rampage and order would still pvdoor in non eu prime time.

These are choices being made by players in the game. In EU primetime destro has more organised wbs and no issue with running in one mass. Order reluctant to engage and gets steam rolled. In non EU primetime there's not much 8 people can do when outnumbered 10-1.

You know what else is a problem?
Constantly ignoring the real issues and blaming the players.
Many people in the long history of gaming have made that mistake

[Farrul]

You could get rid of gtdc and order would still get farmed during eu prime time. Likewise you could get rid of rampage and order would still pvdoor in non eu prime time.

These are choices being made by players in the game. In EU primetime destro has more organised wbs and no issue with running in one mass. Order reluctant to engage and gets steam rolled. In non EU primetime there's not much 8 people can do when outnumbered 10-1.

I can see your point but partially disagree, gtdc is a balance problem due to mass amount of choppas destro side has . The Order reluctance to engage is natural when you got orcs outnumbering Order melee 3:1 . So this snowballs into order's prefering ranged dps over melee frontlines further exacerbating the problem in primetime.

The fact that is still bugged doesn't help either. The game would be better off without it.

[Garamore]

If you are in a melee heavy order wb that is pushing forward gtdc just pulls you closer to your targets and can be interrupted and then you have immunities. If you are in a badly set up pug band or you are running away then yes it’s a problem.

The option to run away or play ranged just makes the order realm weaker.

[Dackjanielz]

If you are in a melee heavy order wb that is pushing forward gtdc just pulls you closer to your targets and can be interrupted and then you have immunities. If you are in a badly set up pug band or you are running away then yes it’s a problem.

The option to run away or play ranged just makes the order realm weaker.

You sound like a Morrisons manager complaining that everyone is going to Tesco's instead.

Maybe its the products and not the customers?

[Garamore]

Ask the devs to take it away for a week, even a month - you will see

[wonshot]

As for the sidetracked subtopic here,
Destros effective killzone feels a bit wider because of the choppa pulls making the killing more compact. Yes theres still the frontal knock and Bring it on burst + IW. but being able to suck the targets from the outskirts in, while speeding yourself up, and applying the almost perma lingering 20% snare covernant just gives more control and makes the 360degree pull feel like the killzone is wider than it actually is. Because you get sucked into the real killzone.

To compare it to order warband ball killzone its all frontal, the overflowing 360 damage from WL/BW is not lethal so you can dip in and out on the outskirts of a slayerball much more safely compared to a destro meleetrain.
That said, if a 2-2-2 guildwarband in rr80 and bis gear is sucking you in that is just a winharder move most of the time. In reality players would have died to a stronger warband regardless, right now they just dont get to chose exactly where they die and that feeling is hard to shake off as it burst the illusion buble of players had a chance to begin with. Funnily enough there doesnt seem to be issues for the Crossrealming guilds when they go order and deal with playing Slayerball vs Chopmaramsh ball.

As for the actual topic, Order does seem to have such a hefty pug population that even when destro has 2-3 organized warbands in EU prime order still doesnt have aao in the cases its only Retribution guild remaining in the lake. That means crossrealming guilds rarely will come over and play on order as the numbers are fairly even.
If theres more order pug culture because of you can just get your free crests outside of EU prime later after the organized warbands have logged out, or because the realm for ever is stuck in internal imbalance on the archtypes (too much dps, and especially rdps) who knows. But LOTD and weekly fort caps are showing this statistic pretty danm well.

[Farrul]

Ior because the realm for ever is stuck in internal imbalance on the archtypes (too much dps, and especially rdps) who knows. But LOTD and weekly fort caps are showing this statistic pretty danm well.

Engineer's and SW's are mediocre ranged dps options at best, DPS AM's less played overall than the Shaman dps equivalent, bright wizard's = sorcs more or less.

The meta on Order is still melee.

Order has way too many pug ranged dps causing an imbalance in archetype sure but that is only a symptom of more fundamental issues.

Choppa's gtdc (to a lesser extent bugged mara pulls) are part of the problem without a doubt, it is a frustration to fight against.

The general lack of Order tanks in comparison to destro is why Order fields abundance of ranged dps, without guard available less want to play melee dps, as a consequence the most popular order melee according to some statistics has been solo roaming WH''s ( self - sufficient).

It has been stated many times previously in mutliple threads.

Devs/ balance teams really need to take a good look at Order tanks, make them more attractive options to match the destro side.

Who wants to main a kotbs forever and be an aura/punt bot when Chosens have the option to be versatile and spec for damage? I'm certain Chosens outnumber Kotbs 4:1 on this server for this particular reason.

[Amakusa]

Ior because the realm for ever is stuck in internal imbalance on the archtypes (too much dps, and especially rdps) who knows. But LOTD and weekly fort caps are showing this statistic pretty danm well.

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Devs/ balance teams really need to take a good look at Order tanks, make them more attractive options to match the destro side.
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Order Tanks look ugly af, hard to fix that

[Nickwahh5]

Ior because the realm for ever is stuck in internal imbalance on the archtypes (too much dps, and especially rdps) who knows. But LOTD and weekly fort caps are showing this statistic pretty danm well.

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Devs/ balance teams really need to take a good look at Order tanks, make them more attractive options to match the destro side.
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Order Tanks look ugly af, hard to fix that

This 100%

[Avanos]

Stop crying
roll witch elf
troll order