Nerfed buttons

[Vigfuss]

I think the game is more challenging without NB, and it wouldn't hold my interest as long if I macroed everything. I think NB raises the skill floor, and can actually raise it be a lot if it's used in a smart way.

If they don't have much experience, some players probably want to be good at the game right away, so they use NB. Most of those players are probably still using it 3 years later. If you want to be really great at the game, and you're willing to go through the process of learning to play it with a lot of keybinds, it will take a while, but in the end you will understand your class much better than you ever will otherwise. Use your number keys and use your mouse to turn (hold down the right mouse button all the time).

[xavra42]

One can't help but notice that the ppl complaining about NB are the ones who never used it. They keep making up **** that it can do and assume it's all powerful. No wonder they are so fearful of it. They won't listen how it doesn't read information properly making 99% of the **** they say impractical.

WAR isn't a mechanically demanding game. Global cooldown is 1.5 freaking seconds, it's not hard to choose the appropriate spell. Your effectiveness comes from knowledge of the game. What it does do is simplify the action bar because the spell design in this game is awful. It makes you 1-2% better at best, and other addons give you advantages too.

[Azuzu]

No it can't and I doubt ppl talking here have any idea about what they are hating.
Certain condition checks are simply too much as they take away human reactions and decisions.
Some classes work properly with only a few buttons. This itself is an advantage. Other classes require more buttons with a lot similar skills.
Now add gaming equipment to the table and you have an huge advantage over anyone with a standard mouse.
Who are you to judge what should be labeled as cheating? NB walks on a thin line because it offers the potential for abuse, even if it was considered OK by Mythic. NB can be used without advantageous condition checks as well, the user is the problem, not the addon.

@Azuzu: Maybe you don't want to cleanse but groupheal. Pls don't create scenarios.

I think anything that helps automate abilities, reduces dexterity required and eliminates/reduces decision making under pressure as too much of an aid "cheating".

I don't agree a good keyboard or mouse is the same thing. I still have to hit the buttons on the keyboard myself. Unless we are talking about macros on those keyboards/mouses, which I'd assume is agiasnt the tos.

Some classes have more abilities and a higher skill, just because other classes don't, doesn't make it alright to automate the harder class.

I'm sorry, but your just trying to make reasons why it's OK to use a program that gives advantages. It's the entire point of the program, it's designs to simplify things, this making it easier.

[Azuzu]

One can't help but notice that the ppl complaining about NB are the ones who never used it. They keep making up **** that it can do and assume it's all powerful. No wonder they are so fearful of it. They won't listen how it doesn't read information properly making 99% of the **** they say impractical.

WAR isn't a mechanically demanding game. Global cooldown is 1.5 freaking seconds, it's not hard to choose the appropriate spell. Your effectiveness comes from knowledge of the game. What it does do is simplify the action bar because the spell design in this game is awful. It makes you 1-2% better at best, and other addons give you advantages too.

Well instead of critizing others input, why not give some of your own.

What do you use NB for? What do you do with your NB, that you feel doesn't have an impact on the game or give an advantage.

What's the point of using it, if it doesn't give an advantage or have an impact on your gameplay?

Educate those of us, you feel you know better than.

[magicthighs]

WAR isn't a mechanically demanding game. Global cooldown is 1.5 freaking seconds, it's not hard to choose the appropriate spell. Your effectiveness comes from knowledge of the game.

Then why use it?

[Jaycub]

I think it's obvious that the devs if they had the ability to remove NB from play would do so, maybe after a poll/vote.

I know everyone in this thread is a big fat nerd, and would gain an advantage over a lot of people if NB was removed so they would be voting for NB to go.

At this point we are just arguing over pretty much nothing, and some people might think we are for NB being in the game in any way shape or farm.

Can't we all just get along?

[xavra42]

I think anything that helps automate abilities, reduces dexterity required and eliminates/reduces decision making under pressure as too much of an aid "cheating".

Let's see the mod you use.
Enemy - sc frames that work, huge advantage over players that don't use it - cheater
wsctbuffhead - makes it easier to get information which reduces dexterity required to check it manually and reduces decision making - cheater

I could go on, but I can play the same game as you. Why do you use these things if it didn't give you an advantage? Of course I know your gunna say something like nerfedbuttons helps more than an arbitrary point of your choosing and your addons don't cross that line.

[Azuzu]

I think it's obvious that the devs if they had the ability to remove NB from play would do so, maybe after a poll/vote.

I know everyone in this thread is a big fat nerd, and would gain an advantage over a lot of people if NB was removed so they would be voting for NB to go.

At this point we are just arguing over pretty much nothing, and some people might think we are for NB being in the game in any way shape or farm.

Can't we all just get along?

Your absolutely right, I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing.... because I'm stuck in my cellphone, bored and can't play anything. lol


It's a subject I'm pationate about tho, because I'm a big nerd and thing like hacking, macros, things that add fake skill drive me nuts. lol. I just really dislike things I consider "cheating".

Like aimbotting in shoots, those people should have their thumbs cut off. lol

[Azuzu]

I think anything that helps automate abilities, reduces dexterity required and eliminates/reduces decision making under pressure as too much of an aid "cheating".

Let's see the mod you use.
Enemy - sc frames that work, huge advantage over players that don't use it - cheater
wsctbuffhead - makes it easier to get information which reduces dexterity required to check it manually and reduces decision making - cheater

I could go on, but I can play the same game as you. Why do you use these things if it didn't give you an advantage? Of course I know your gunna say something like nerfedbuttons helps more than an arbitrary point of your choosing and your addons don't cross that line.

Your just scrawmaning, your completely ignoring the entire point of the thread, nerfed buttons and your trying to redirect the conversation to something that has nothing to do with NB.

All the mods you listed are simple UI mods that just change the way things look. They in no way, shape or form effect my actual skills or buttons. It has no effect on actual game play. It's the reason most games allow UI mods, but disallow macros and things like NB.


I was interested in hearing how you use NBs that don't give an advantage and doesn't make things simpilier and thus easier. You side steped the entire point..

[Jaycub]

Ya cheating is becoming a lot more rampant in competitive games, that and account buying which causes rank/MMR inflation which really ruins the middle ground for people who legitimately belong there, because it is almost impossible to climb out with that inflation.

NB is def cheating, it's comparable to the scripts that read from RAM on D3/PoE that automically logout or use potions.

Things like enemy/buffhead or even gaymer equipment like G600/naga or G series keyboards can't really be considered cheating. if they gave such a great increase in skill/ability then I think the game design it self is at fault. Not to mention some things like the G600 mouse or keyboard scripts/macros cannot be detected (without breaking the law) and a good game should try it's best to make sure that those things don't break the game.