SW weakest class?

[Lileldys]

1.) Healdebuff at 5pts was far too strong, compared to other classes and how easy it is to get an ailment.
2.) Barrage is an insanely good skill , great for pushing instant damage and makes for nice bursts with VoN+M2.(Hitting BA, SS, SFA and Barrage in the same tick is crazy burst, doesn't have positional requirement like FS)
3.)Yes its annoying that we won't have k/d for defensive purposes, maybe look scout tree for glass arrow/fester?
4.) Assault tree is lacking for a rdps player, but thats fine, Only time I'd go melee range is for the interupt

[CaseyJones]

I believe that healdebuff was that low in skirmish tree for a reason and comparing other classes' similar stuff is irrelevant. Now people wont be able to play some of the old builds that used to be available on live servers

[Sulorie]

I believe that healdebuff was that low in skirmish tree for a reason and comparing other classes' similar stuff is irrelevant. Now people wont be able to play some of the old builds that used to be available on live servers

Fun fact: With the tier structure from live a healdebuff at 5 points was ok.

[CaseyJones]

And I don't remember any complaints back then. Can't see anything gamebreaking about it

[greenstoned]

i dont make a big deal out of the heal debuff being 9 instead of 5, sicne i dont see myself playing without powerfull draw at 11 anyways

these days i go up to 11 in skirmisher and 5 in scout for glass arrow

[deslage]

Edit: Missed the top. If you are still festerbombing, maybe thats your issue. Scout is too stand still to be effective. Also the 2 new tactics and new skill SW get are insanely strong if you are a good kiter

Scout wasn't just about Fester Bombing. Are you saying the whole Scout tree isn't effective now? Because it was in live, why isn't it now?

And what are these new tools? 2 new tactics and a new skill? I just came back, I know nothing.

[Gachimuchi]

...One month later...

[AustreV]

I cant read all messages in this topic (read 4 pages), but I wanna say that nerfed Festing arrow was made in wrong way. Instead of makeing CD on 2nd morale more or make an CD on 50% crit chance ability, it was nerfed on 50% of resist* ability. So, they was no calculations as I mentioned before, how often ppl use it, how glass spec should be to make 4-5k or so, how long man should stay at one place (7 second actually with 2nd morale+ 25% damage buff) damage and I suppose it was all crying without real documentation. Iam not even surprised that ppl like Noisestorm*(sry, if wrong) now "balance moderrators" wich even sounds weird. So, I wanna ask developers how many SW with festing spec you can see on 35 lvl T3 now, 5% or 10? Iam pretty shure not higher. In addition I will also say that u cant stay at one place for 7 seconds in most cases, even 4 seconds is high enough to take critical damage close to death, the only thing that protects SW is crowd, but this will be solved in T4 when for example Sorc will kill SW in 4 seconds (if SW got 35-50% resists and 200-210 toughness) in 3 skills - fact. I dont think SW is weak class but nowdays he has only one wise option to play with.
You can make a melee SW also, but its only wise one on one and will work untill enemy will know that you in melee spec/after that you will loose most of 1 on 1, becouse you have not enough burst. I was actually playing all stances and combination on live and here, so I can make any test with smb* to prove that festting is not effective today to use it, other options/skills can make much more effective than that skill now. The main problem not in skill, but in others like 50% crit chance and 2nd morale CD in crowd* u will never make it in 1 on 1 what devs forget to mention as a whole statistics. PS: Nerf was too high at least and there was many other options to avoid oneshot kill with fast CD. (that works only in crowd as i said). And there is too many "IF" actually.
In the end I must say there will be no balance without pure numbers as argument for any changes in balance. Iam not crying Iam just playing it with most effective stance and items. Just saying.

[Lileldys]

50% crit has a downside in the increase cast times. Morales are ALL 1min CD, even morale 4s.

No class should 1shot from nowhere. With Sorcs/BWs you can see the burst coming, you can cleanse it, you get 5s to detaunt. With FesterBomb there is no knowledge except from just getting crit for 5k+.

It's still fine, just gets its damage reduced by 20-25% from resistances now instead of 0%.

[AustreV]

50% crit has a downside in the increase cast times. Morales are ALL 1min CD, even morale 4s.

No class should 1shot from nowhere. With Sorcs/BWs you can see the burst coming, you can cleanse it, you get 5s to detaunt. With FesterBomb there is no knowledge except from just getting crit for 5k+.

It's still fine, just gets its damage reduced by 20-25% from resistances now instead of 0%.

I know and i calculated it 1.5 sec + 1 second to push 2 skills (2nd morale and 25%dmg skill)
If u dont want oneshot just nerf 50% crit chance skill and nerf festing on 25% or less - it would be wise.
Its a rare crit it doesnt work in small scale and especially on one on one.
Just show me how many sw crits today with festing, I got my own calculations that said you got 2k-2300 damage with 2nd morale with crit buff and 25% damage buff if basic dmg was 1400. But it should be 5250 (7000-1750) in that case. Iam not even shure bypass works in right way now.
And I also know there are a bunch ways to absorb, avoid that damage. So even nowdays cant see these "magical" numbers with top items. Thats why I suggest and ready to make test with somebody. BTW little test server on T4 will be nice idea for that sort of things.
PS: staying in crowd in detaunt all the time is not a gameplay. btw. iam laughing that even sorc has more defensive abilites than SW (resist buff and more toughness if both go dmg spec.) and he can kill you solo in a crowd and you dont. I dont care about oneshot, I ony care about vitality of spec and stances. And as mentioned before 5 seconds CD is super a lot and it affects gameplay very strongly, but nobody cares, cause nobody calculate it. Should play that class to feel that number, how often u die becouse of 5 sc CD, cause u was need it 1-1.5 seconds faster to save your life.