The Wipe - Post thoughts/comments

[noisestorm]

In case youre talking about ToK unlocks and Bestial Tokens, they surely should not get wiped yea

[Azarael]

bad moderation with no accountability

I'd like to take this opportunity to clarify that I am not the one responsible for a lack of accountability, and if I had my way, we'd have a public forum to list actions taken against players, a forum appeals process and another section of the forum for genuine discussion of the forum's management, moderation and rules. If you or anyone else agrees with me, apply pressure. If you think it's good as it is, don't.

Order bias

le funny order biased meme :^)

[kryss]

My 2 cents, if they are worth anything: I am totally against a full wipe (many peeps will leave, too much effort to start all over again), but I could be ok with partial measures. In this case, though, everything should be announced in advance, to let people get ready, adjust to the changes and try to minimize the loss of items/gold/whatever. Also, as other said, you could envision a way to "compensate" those players who put more effort in gaining things.

[TenTonHammer]

Full wipe is the way to go imo, releveling again is like playing a new game

speak for your self

Inflation. There being way too much gold in the economy because there are no real gold sinks to speak of.

Not intended to cause offense but the wipe should have happened a long while back to adress the inflation issue then and there

furthermore as the game progress and more and more feautes are added or re implemented there will be more gold sinks ?

just sayin

[mursie]

I'd like to take this opportunity to clarify that I am not the one responsible for a lack of accountability, and if I had my way, we'd have a public forum to list actions taken against players, a forum appeals process and another section of the forum for genuine discussion of the forum's management, moderation and rules. If you or anyone else agrees with me, apply pressure. If you think it's good as it is, don't.

I could not agree more with this. Not only for the forums but also in game admin actions taken. There is definitely quite a disparity of "power use" between game masters and devs in this community. It is unfortunate. Those with the most power tend to be the most relaxed and those which should probably be issuing warnings or at the very least discussing with other senior admins seem to be WAY to power happy to make unilateral decisions on their own.

Having accountability and record of actions taken would be a very GOOD step in the right direction. Do I think that the current system has been overly abused? No. But a lack of accountability for actions taken is never a good thing imo.

[Genisaurus]

I'd like to take this opportunity to clarify that I am not the one responsible for a lack of accountability, and if I had my way, we'd have a public forum to list actions taken against players, a forum appeals process and another section of the forum for genuine discussion of the forum's management, moderation and rules. If you or anyone else agrees with me, apply pressure. If you think it's good as it is, don't.

I would take a cynical direction and say that the players who distrust us and think that our mods abuse their powers/have no oversight, they would also distrust that we would respond to outside pressure to be more transparent. On the other hand, the majority of the community that doesn't have a problem with us won't do anything, because they're happy. Applying pressure is still good and something the community should do, but I think that if we are waiting for pressure to be applied, we'll be waiting for a while.

Especially when so far, most of the people "applying pressure" for more transparency are also the same people getting mooned for telling a GM to **** off when told to stop kill trading. Not exactly the people that are going to have a lot of traction with those that think our current degree of transparency are find.

[Azarael]

The problem I have is that our current system isn't exactly trust-building.

We have instituted all of the tools we need to suppress invalid dissent from players whose continual complaint over justified actions is making the lives of the GMs more difficult. However... we've not gone all the way in reforming the system. We're cracking down on the players without making ourselves accountable, and it actually runs against our own interests.

Our appeals process forces a lone player to go through back channels (PMing the head game master) to be dealt with behind closed doors. That's not a good recipe for trust however you look at it.

Additionally, if we fail to broadcast evidence that our bans are justified, and do not allow players to make open appeals against them (within reasonable limits), we are leaving ourselves vulnerable to malicious lies being spread in back channels about abusive and authoritative GMs supporting a corrupt system that cannot be held accountable by players. These lies (well, partial lies, the last part about accountability may well be true) are far more likely to gain traction if we ourselves are not offering any solid proof that players can lean on to show that we are not as these players say we are.

The other thing to mention is that players are not given any ability to offer just criticism of the rules that we form and of the behaviour of staff within threads. Outlets for such criticism should exist, in my opinion, otherwise we begin to create too much of a divide between players and staff, which goes against our (or at least my) general ethos as a member of staff. Don't get me wrong - such outlets should come with heavy responsibilities for the people using them - abusing them should be treated as a serious offense, or we'll be inundated with crap which we'll have to moderate once again, defeating the purpose. But they should exist.

[Jaycub]

A public record of actions taken against players and reasons for would help players identify what is and isn't allowed on the server. Only nerds read the ToS (sorry famalam), a lot of players probably coming from games devoid of any moderation and having racial slurs screamed and over the top bantz are just common occurrences.

Transparency will also help quiet down all the recent accusations of power abuse that probably aren't that great for the server's reputation, even if they are false.

[mindmelt]

Give me the power to create the servers currency and I care not who makes it's laws... Know what I'm saying

[mursie]

Especially when so far, most of the people "applying pressure" for more transparency are also the same people getting mooned for telling a GM to **** off when told to stop kill trading. Not exactly the people that are going to have a lot of traction with those that think our current degree of transparency are find.

Considering this post was written directly after my call for transparency - I feel obligated to make the following statement.

I have never kill traded. And I have never told a GM to **** off. Period.