BG buffs to be more inline with IB?

[7rere7]

IF "Filled With Fury" tactic was not on a career path ,( like the IB's "Sweet Revenge) ,the Blackguard would be so much better and close to fine where its at.

[Ninepaces]

I think a 3sec kd for Bg would be a good start... Make it Blade of ruin?

[peterthepan3]

I think a 3sec kd for Bg would be a good start... Make it Blade of ruin?

Even if that meant placing it higher up in the tree, I think it would be good. Similar to cave-in.

[GodlessCrom]

Swap blade of ruin and enraged beating then?

[TenTonHammer]

Swap blade of ruin and enraged beating then?

a buff that SnB dps BG dosnt need in my eyes

lets be real here folks regardless of where put BoR, 2H bg will need to go up to CD anyway (its not like IB who just specs up to cave in then goes into GnM), so the amount of points invested will be the same, i this case i see no reason to not just leave BoR where it is

[GodlessCrom]

Hm fair enough.

[Ninepaces]

I think a 3sec kd for Bg would be a good start... Make it Blade of ruin?

Even if that meant placing it higher up in the tree, I think it would be good. Similar to cave-in.

sure. It doesnt really matter where it is because you need to go up to crimson death to be worth taking the 2h over s/b anyways. I dont really see the point of swapping enraged beating with blade of ruin being a 3 sec kd for 2h. I guess you could for the heck of it, and give the option of taking enraged beating with s/b. Its not something I would do though. Like TTH said its not a buff s/b dps BG needs.


But I dont see the point of s/b dps BG anyways... you have more protection so therefore you can afford to slot more strength, but even if you slot max strength your offensive contribution isnt worth the loss of crimson death. It was the first BG setup I tried because I was paranoid at not having HTL. The only advantage it has is the 5s kd which is unreliable.


I think its ok for 2h/SB BG to have different roles. (e.g 2h for 6 man/rvr, s/b for orvr/solo party tank). You dont need to make 2H functional in all situations and S/B functional in all situations. Towards the end I was sometimes reskilling multiple times a day.

[Tesq]

why you wanna nerf s+b BG? the dot currently is alot better than take the channeling tough you do more due the fact dot + all the skill you can use in the place of the channeling with out count if you channeling you cannot use other skills and is not like BG do high burst with the channeling. Count that , done taking the stuff, with dot + murderous wrath had invested so few points you recive a better results and you get more point for other stuff on other mastery. Exemple dot someone kb away 1 tank. Loose time with a channeling unless you are set up for primary assist in dps is a bad idea and BG is not good enough as other tank in assist offensivly with the channeling; it can do a better work with 1-2 hit if it's really need with murderous wrath + wounds debuff tactic auto attack proc and since it collide with the channeling as channeling = no auto attack is just a nerf to s+b malice BG take or swap on the mastery bor for the channeling considering the buff that Bor recived. Unless you leave home wounds debuff tactic the channeling is a waste in my opinion.

[Ninepaces]

can just leave the tree as is and give BoR a 3sec kd if holding a 2h on top of the dot dmg.

[Tesq]

can just leave the tree as is and give BoR a 3sec kd if holding a 2h on top of the dot dmg.

since the currently KB is anyway suboptimal add parry and/or with 2h lower the kd to x sec

face that block only is suboptimal even for s+b BG that skill need a parry anyway .