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WaaaghBoy88
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Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost

Post#81 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:34 am

Martok wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:19 am
Tanski wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:44 pmIf ranked isn’t making a comeback maybe put the ring behind city so we can have more sweaty cities

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And have cities go the way of Ranked. Genius, truly.

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Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost

Post#82 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:42 am

WaaaghBoy88 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:02 am No. Cut the price in half. 4k. People have lives outside of the game and play other games, as well. By forcing them to farm for a set that on a technicality should be weaker than sov, just so they can remain competitive with others who have no lives and can farm the stuff in a single month tops, is a total insult to those who put in the hours, days and weeks grinding Sovereign and Warlord gear respectively.

First of all, Ranked should be deconstructed. Provide all Ranked Reward-Items to RR80+ characters for high but fair prices that gives them a reason to farm warcrests, other than the facial cosmetics to use at RR85. This would solve the problem. 9,999 crests for a single ring that basically subverts the purpose behind sovereign gear is beyond idiotic. Slash the price by half, it's only fair.

Secondly, the RR75 weapons, Jewellery set and TOVL sets haven't been released yet. These are supposed to be the endgame tier itemsets that should turn LOTD battlegrounds into a slaughter field. And because the zone itself is fun (back on live, that is). So this ring should be given what it deserves: A price reduction, and prepared to become a stepping stone upgrade. Sure, have it replace Sentinel Ring, PVE gear is always inferior to PVP gear, perhaps have the Tyrant gear set be the only solid counter set to Triumphant. But the fact is that in terms of "endgame gear", there are every few choices right now and as a result it's unbalanced.
Lost Vale = Darkpromise Gear will probably be tyrant lvl here.Live LV had 60dps proc wpns dropping in AoR so hopefully in RoR as well(obv 2h's as well dont remember dps) and current max in RoR is 58 dps. When rr80 was max 66/67dps wpns were highest, Sovereign 66dps with procs. Colossus 67dps without procs. Keep the ring super high cost but just remove restriction from Vale-Walker jewelry so you can use it with senti or triumph jewel and maybe add those 60 dps proc wpns to drop from HV instead of LV! Then 63-66 dps proc wpns can drop from LV/Tovl and HV/Vale-Walker set would be MUCH more interesting and i def would run it on every char and i dont care for pve, I NEED MOAR POSSIBILITIES TO HOW TO PVP.

Pls no slot restrictions On Tyrant/Darkpromise when they are added=)
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Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost

Post#83 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:51 am

WaaaghBoy88 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:34 amAnd have cities go the way of Ranked. Genius, truly.

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Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost

Post#84 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:52 am

I mean seriously. Cities are completely optional content now, reduced to an every-now-and-then expanded Scenario which provides nothing unique other than an occasional change of venue. Why not add something unique back into the mix?

Oh, right, because you are smarter than everyone else. How silly of me.
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Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost

Post#85 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:02 am

Martok wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:52 am Oh, right, because you are smarter than everyone else. How silly of me.
Yes, how very silly of you. Glad you recognized that and are willing to reconsider your life choices.

PS. Cities are played for large crest rewards. That's it. There is no reason to make it more complex.

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Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost

Post#86 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:06 am

Sinisterror wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:42 am
WaaaghBoy88 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:02 am No. Cut the price in half. 4k. People have lives outside of the game and play other games, as well. By forcing them to farm for a set that on a technicality should be weaker than sov, just so they can remain competitive with others who have no lives and can farm the stuff in a single month tops, is a total insult to those who put in the hours, days and weeks grinding Sovereign and Warlord gear respectively.

First of all, Ranked should be deconstructed. Provide all Ranked Reward-Items to RR80+ characters for high but fair prices that gives them a reason to farm warcrests, other than the facial cosmetics to use at RR85. This would solve the problem. 9,999 crests for a single ring that basically subverts the purpose behind sovereign gear is beyond idiotic. Slash the price by half, it's only fair.

Secondly, the RR75 weapons, Jewellery set and TOVL sets haven't been released yet. These are supposed to be the endgame tier itemsets that should turn LOTD battlegrounds into a slaughter field. And because the zone itself is fun (back on live, that is). So this ring should be given what it deserves: A price reduction, and prepared to become a stepping stone upgrade. Sure, have it replace Sentinel Ring, PVE gear is always inferior to PVP gear, perhaps have the Tyrant gear set be the only solid counter set to Triumphant. But the fact is that in terms of "endgame gear", there are every few choices right now and as a result it's unbalanced.
Lost Vale = Darkpromise Gear will probably be tyrant lvl here.Live LV had 60dps proc wpns dropping in AoR so hopefully in RoR as well(obv 2h's as well dont remember dps) and current max in RoR is 58 dps. When rr80 was max 66/67dps wpns were highest, Sovereign 66dps with procs. Colossus 67dps without procs. Keep the ring super high cost but just remove restriction from Vale-Walker jewelry so you can use it with senti or triumph jewel and maybe add those 60 dps proc wpns to drop from HV instead of LV! Then 63-66 dps proc wpns can drop from LV/Tovl and HV/Vale-Walker set would be MUCH more interesting and i def would run it on every char and i dont care for pve, I NEED MOAR POSSIBILITIES TO HOW TO PVP.

Pls no slot restrictions On Tyrant/Darkpromise when they are added=)
Your thought process is interesting but it's unnecessary. Slash the price of the ring, make LV the equivalent to rr65-70 gear stats and TOVL to RR75-80. Sentinel covers RR55-60 already if not further at times so the fact is it's more balanced as the gap proceeds every five levels more or less.

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Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost

Post#87 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:09 am

WaaaghBoy88 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:02 amYes, how very silly of you. Glad you recognized that and are willing to reconsider your life choices.

My life choices?

Ok, I now know everything about you I will ever need to know and this conversation is over.
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Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost

Post#88 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:11 am

Martok wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:09 am
WaaaghBoy88 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:02 amYes, how very silly of you. Glad you recognized that and are willing to reconsider your life choices.

My life choices?

Ok, I now know everything about you I will ever need to know and this conversation is over.
That was adorable. But I am not going to complain. You didn't contribute anything to the discussion. EDIT: Cities are beyond sweaty, they're miserable if poorly planned or you can't join because the system is overflowing with applicants. Why destroy it altogether? That isn't logical.

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Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost

Post#89 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:06 am

This game has not, and never will be about balance. This is a game of have and have not. Propping up the OG players with gear advantage is a full time job. This is all so they can bring their BiS toons complete with 10,000 crest ring and extra set bonus to wreck you and your buddies in city or SCs and laugh and call it skill.

Have time and have no time. With sov and ranked BiS you will body pretty much any player almost regardless of skill in Vanq or less. You can go ahead and multiply that advantage by 6 and 24 and whatever you like. Eg 6 Vanq vs. 6 BiS won’t go well. 24 v 24 will be an absolute stomp.

So the OGs got to do 2-5 cities PER DAY and grind sov crests. So then they revamp the crest system and introduce ranked gear at 10,000. OGs have 4-5 BiS toons and need 10k plus 1-2 other ranked pieces. New players? You are looking at over 30,000 crests to outfit from 0-80.

Now you get your 80bis and you ground your ass off and then they introduce sov weapons in 3 months. Congrats. Wanna level an alt? Now you are in for. 40,000 crest grind. OGs again just need another 10k

Don’t play RoR to have a fun fair balanced experience play it to have a fun nostalgic experience or play it to win and out the 10000s of hours played in to win.

Only fair way to have this game would be to level every character into Vanq for SCs and city for a completely fair and skill based outcome (aside from blaring balance issues).

Nothing would kill this game faster. RoR players WANT imbalance.

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Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost

Post#90 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:38 pm

WaaaghBoy88 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:02 am No. Cut the price in half. 4k. People have lives outside of the game and play other games, as well. By forcing them to farm for a set that on a technicality should be weaker than sov, just so they can remain competitive with others who have no lives and can farm the stuff in a single month tops, is a total insult to those who put in the hours, days and weeks grinding Sovereign and Warlord gear respectively.

First of all, Ranked should be deconstructed. Provide all Ranked Reward-Items to RR80+ characters for high but fair prices that gives them a reason to farm warcrests, other than the facial cosmetics to use at RR85. This would solve the problem. 9,999 crests for a single ring that basically subverts the purpose behind sovereign gear is beyond idiotic. Slash the price by half, it's only fair.

Secondly, the RR75 weapons, Jewellery set and TOVL sets haven't been released yet. These are supposed to be the endgame tier itemsets that should turn LOTD battlegrounds into a slaughter field. And because the zone itself is fun (back on live, that is). So this ring should be given what it deserves: A price reduction, and prepared to become a stepping stone upgrade. Sure, have it replace Sentinel Ring, PVE gear is always inferior to PVP gear, perhaps have the Tyrant gear set be the only solid counter set to Triumphant. But the fact is that in terms of "endgame gear", there are every few choices right now and as a result it's unbalanced.
The strenght you gain from the ring is not as much as you make it seem to be. You can totally "compete" with other players without it, especially if you only play normal scenarios or play open RVR in warbands or run boxes, like 99 % of the population . The only real difference it can make is in super small scale situations like 6v6 , so solo ranked (which is dead as atm) or group ranked (which is only played regulary from time to time between 2 premade guilds). So no, it really doesnt effect the "normal" player playing this game that much.

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