Enough with Order outnumbering Destro

[Farrul]

Order Tanks look ugly af, hard to fix that

They look alright in higher level sets. IB--> BG in WL/Sov gear imho. BO-->SM for certain .

Chosen's i suppose look cooler than knight's but that's not the reason they are more popular.

When the devs decided to castrate the kotbs dps potential on this server is the main culprit, why invest in it unless you really must play a kotbs or into the lore etc? Chosen wins easily as they can tank when they want or change gameplay to 2 handed brawler, simply are more worthwhile investment of time.

In all games the ''dark'' side tend to attract the melee types more but you always have plenty of players who prefer the ''light'' , nice cities ( IC sucks, Altdorf is cool) and just into the themes of a ''knight '' etc.

[Ninjagon]

Ask the devs to take it away for a week, even a month - you will see

Lets make it happen. Should be interesting

[Orklovesgobboz]

Order Tanks look ugly af, hard to fix that

They look alright in higher level sets. IB--> BG in WL/Sov gear imho. BO-->SM for certain .

Chosen's i suppose look cooler than knight's but that's not the reason they are more popular.

When the devs decided to castrate the kotbs dps potential on this server is the main culprit, why invest in it unless you really must play a kotbs or into the lore etc? Chosen wins easily as they can tank when they want or change gameplay to 2 handed brawler, simply are more worthwhile investment of time.

In all games the ''dark'' side tend to attract the melee types more but you always have plenty of players who prefer the ''light'' , nice cities ( IC sucks, Altdorf is cool) and just into the themes of a ''knight '' etc.

Nah.
aldorf sucks, IC is cool.
Which faction a player likes and the other they dont like is subjective, not objective.
IMO altdorf is ugly af and I view order as lame and campy, they are 100% exactly just like the alliance in worldofwarcraft.

Its annoying that the previous convo here is derailing this thread to typical order QQ/moaning/whining for more tanks.
Even though this is irrelevant to what OP is talking about because order has been massively dominating forts and has extreme numbers in NA pop.
Your solution? = "oRdEr NeEdS mOrE tAnKs"

How is that going to help this population imbalance? If anything it will make it even worse.

Although order is more popular in NA, I think its because of lord of the rings fandom or some bs like that being more popular over here.

@githappens over here has the right idea to help resolve issue that OP is actually talking about:

First and foremost I'd make xrealm lockout affect only logging on overpopulated faction. Then, if player xrealms on opposite faction and continues to contribute there, contribution is gained on BOTH toons, for as long as new faction isn't overpopulated. Both characters should share contribution and both should get renown/crests/bag roll when zone locks based on shared contribution. Link between characters shouldn't be erased after zone locks, so player feels motivated to continue aiding underdog. This way players could progress their toons on overpopulated side faster while playing underdog side and making population imbalance less drastic outside of prime time.

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[Farrul]

Nah.
aldorf sucks, IC is cool.
Which faction a player likes and the other they dont like is subjective, not objective.
IMO altdorf is ugly af and I view order as lame and campy, they are 100% exactly just like the alliance in worldofwarcraft.

Its annoying that the previous convo here is derailing this thread to typical order QQ/moaning/whining for more tanks.
Even though this is irrelevant to what OP is talking about because order has been massively dominating forts and has extreme numbers in NA pop.
Your solution? = "oRdEr NeEdS mOrE tAnKs"

How is that going to help this population imbalance? If anything it will make it even worse.

Although order is more popular in NA, I think its because of lord of the rings fandom or some bs like that being more popular over here.

The only one whining here is apperantly you.

The point ( ''derailing'' )was brought up by a destro wb leader : the fact that Order is ''reluctant to engange primetime and gets steamrolled ''. Rdps, lack of Order tanks is all related to the point made ( which i agree with). If you are going to accuse someone at least find out how the discussion started.

NA pop imbalance is imho player fatigue and low pop( the game is stagnant and needs fresh campaign updates and class balance patches). EU primetime is relevant of how the faction balance is doing because it actually has a population.

[Orklovesgobboz]

The only one whining here is apperantly you.
...
If you are going to accuse someone at least find out how the discussion started.

Troll comment detected - above.

I wasn't whining nor accusing anyone personally.

The only one trying to harass me and engage in forum pvp here is apparently you.

The point ( ''derailing'' )was brought up by a destro wb leader : the fact that Order is ''reluctant to engange primetime and gets steamrolled ''. Rdps, lack of Order tanks is all related to the point made ( which i agree with).

"related to the point made ( which i agree with)"
Make a separate thread. It wasnt related to the point OP made hence "derailing".
imho I already knew how that discussion started before I originally posted because I read what s/he said.

NA pop imbalance is imho player fatigue and low pop( the game is stagnant and needs fresh campaign updates and class balance patches). EU primetime is relevant of how the faction balance is doing because it actually has a population.

I mostly agree, game could use new content and balance improvements.

When you said this: "player fatigue and low pop?"
NA Order have such a massive pop where they steamroll Destro NA mostly every single night and engage in empty PvDoor, prepping and winning many forts?

Look at what @JohnnyWayne said earlier, Order started gaining dominance since around July 2022 (somewhere around july-sept 2022 is where Destro pop was declining/big Destro NA guilds started slowly disbanding), if most Destro last year has had so much "player fatigue" from burnout then most of those Destro players surely would have returned by now.
And they havent.
Why?
I think its because of current gamer culture for both most people's lazy tendency to xrealm to easy Order side (unfortunately) because they have the current majority, compared to working hard as the outnumbered underdog (like on live) and that most medieval fantasy popularity atm is leaning toward LOTR-ish humans/dwarves/high elves for why order as a whole are more popular (unfortunately) in NA.

I know @Acidic disagreed with me earlier, but this is still a player problem unless dev's alter xrealming somehow to fix this issue, otherwise there is nothing else they can do.

[Farrul]

Troll comment detected - above.

I wasn't whining nor accusing anyone personally.

The only one trying to harass me and engage in forum pvp here is apparently you.

How ironic. You quoted me directly and then proceed with : '' derailing this thread to typical order QQ/moaning/whining for more tanks.''

That was your first post btw in the forum and antagonistic from the start, somehow you're the one being harassed ? lol k.

Make a separate thread. It wasnt related to the point OP made hence "derailing".
imho I already knew how that discussion started before I originally posted because I read what s/he said.

Then don't quote me next time and accuse of ''typical order derailling'' when it was in fact a known destro player who brought it up.

I mostly agree, game could use new content and balance improvements.

When you said this: "player fatigue and low pop?"
NA Order have such a massive pop where they steamroll Destro NA mostly every single night and engage in empty PvDoor, prepping and winning many forts?

Look at what @JohnnyWayne said earlier, Order started gaining dominance since around July 2022 (somewhere around july-sept 2022 is where Destro pop was massively declining/big Destro NA guilds started slowly disbanding), if most Destro last year has had so much "player fatigue" from burnout then most of those Destro players surely would have returned by now.
And they havent.
Why?
I think its because of current gamer culture for both most people's lazy tendency to xrealm to easy Order side (unfortunately) compared to working hard as the outnumbered underdog (like on live) and that most medieval fantasy popularity atm is leaning toward LOTR-ish humans/dwarves/high elves for why order as a whole are more popular (unfortunately) in NA.

Except there is no ''massive pop'' during NA, there is a lot of tired EU players skipping sleep and looking for free bags who do not whish to struggle. It's sadly not the hours when the server is typically active, some days are an exception and i've seen destruction gain momentum from time to time.

If it is indeed as you think, then the pop imbalance can't be easily solved in a good manner because it is caused by player choice, the rewards could be improved for the underdog side.

[bittrio]

Let's just all play Order and make Destro computer controlled.

[Rotgut]

Oh wow this thread sure took a random turn.

So back for some more updates.

NA WB leaders, from both sides, have been doing some impromptu organizing to try and ensure equal numbers. Shout out to NA guilds that bring the numbers and the 3-4 pugleaders that play both sides so we can deal with the real enemy - PvDoor.

And its been really fun recently.

[Dajciekrwi]

That was mainly due to the EU staying up late to push campaign and some promotional videos. Summer peak eu has been around 7-800 so not dead by a long way.

Totally get that outside of eu prime time it’s order dominated - as other people have said - needs a committed NA destro wb leader and some people to support them.

Needs more than a WB leader to fix the state.
Even EU times it starting to have significant order outnumbering, and that is a fast slippery slope to NA state.

Best way to get into the NA State is to keep doing what you guys are doing. Farming pugs at the warcamp. It happens every day and on both sides depending on what side is overpopulated. I honestly think the worst thing you can do as a leader in the game is to continue to over and over farm the same group to the point they log out. Because eventually they don't log back in. Fight at tavern in Tala/BFP (farm pugs) fight at warcamp in Praag (farm pugs) fight at Warcamp in Eataine (farm pugs) etc. Spread out, roam. Don't mass swamp a 12 man that dares to venture out into a zone to fight 3 wbs. Police yourselves.

Yep, completly agreed, cant say its better. All these WBs assault will kill population in game, ane with population will be no wrabands.
But i dont belive in any selfdiscipline, so we slide to oblivion anyway.

[Bozzax]

One could even argue the implemented mechanics and balancing for different modes (Static-forever-melee-meta,ORVR-blob-to-win-design, SC-queue-with-weekly-6man-farm, CITY, GEAR-grind-to PVP, RR40-GEAR-being-not-viable-vs80s) is optimal for a select few and effectively reduce overall population by being completely hostile to new players and late joiners.

Note: Feel free to reply with the typical "I leveled 1-80 in 4days and the game is is super causal"