Give WP/DoK a gap closer.

[Cullenn]

Cullenn, man. Look, we definitely can go down further and obviously i know how other classes dmg looks in bis in different gamemodes, we can cherry abilities per class and do any other kind of pointless stuff. But! there is also an option of you just rereading few my posts here and either tie some detailed specific questions so i can explain myself better because i already addressed that all.

Also, same from me, with all the respect ive gave an answer you ask from gersy. Charge will increase their survivability for organised play. Thats most impactful outcome. For solo/pug you will have much better time vs rdps. What is not clear on this? If you don't understand how big it is just let us know. Also i repeat myself for third time, im not against that myself but its just me, worries of people like e.g. noronn who is elite player are concerns you can't simply discard with some random crap (no offense man, you keep discussion well and civil kudos for that but arguments you provide are extremely lacking) about solo shamans.


Also great post gersy, thats a nice one. Words of wisdom, especially like the part where you point about importance of building proper groups

Well, we will wait and see what happens, i like my class at the moment, and i'ill wait for future changes, anyway, this is my last forum about this, since i'm tired already, yes you and Gersy have your points, i respect them, and i heavily disagree, that's all. It is such a horrible feeling to grind all the way to sov and be kited like you are nothing because a melee dps don't have a gap closer and rdps have snares, escapes, etc. But it is what it is, thank you for your patience and i apologize for my frustrating post.

[nocturnalguest]

Well, we will wait and see what happens, i like my class at the moment, and i'ill wait for future changes, anyway, this is my last forum about this, since i'm tired already, yes you and Gersy have your points, i respect them, and i heavily disagree, that's all. It is such a horrible feeling to grind all the way to sov and be kited like you are nothing because a melee dps don't have a gap closer and rdps have snares, escapes, etc. But it is what it is, thank you for your patience and i apologize for my frustrating post.

There is 0 need for any apologize, thanks for keeping discussion without calling names and stuff, rare nowdays. Also yes, indeed, lets see what happens, usually forum discussion has close to no effect into internal balance team process but in this thread i believe all points have been made already. However i can see this public discussion as benefiting community as a whole and also helpful for someone new to read up, it has valuable info here.

Good luck and see you on the battlefield o7

[Cullenn]

Well, we will wait and see what happens, i like my class at the moment, and i'ill wait for future changes, anyway, this is my last forum about this, since i'm tired already, yes you and Gersy have your points, i respect them, and i heavily disagree, that's all. It is such a horrible feeling to grind all the way to sov and be kited like you are nothing because a melee dps don't have a gap closer and rdps have snares, escapes, etc. But it is what it is, thank you for your patience and i apologize for my frustrating post.

There is 0 need for any apologize, thanks for keeping discussion without calling names and stuff, rare nowdays. Also yes, indeed, lets see what happens, usually forum discussion has close to no effect into internal balance team process but in this thread i believe all points have been made already. However i can see this public discussion as benefiting community as a whole and also helpful for someone new to read up, it has valuable info here.

Good luck and see you on the battlefield o7

Thank you man, good luck to you as well, let's see if devs change something in other classes in rdps patch.

[Kyouaku]

Hahaha, why so salty? Seriously, the hell im reading lol, is it some reading comphension of your or what? Where you see "lies"?

It's like you are monologue-ing to yourself and hoping noone has actually read what I said and just take your word for it lol.


As I quoted you saying in my reply you mention, you say "Its still your pug issue. You say DPS DoK is lacking damage but then i provide an evidence that spec works in organised environment you completely backdown and fall into all this pug thingy."

Which is a complete lie, I have consistently said it was sub optimal in group play, but you strawmwn me with that. I have also shown why your evidence is...stupid...lol Using a group that has played together vrs years vrs pugs does not contradict anything I have said, and actually supports what I said in 48 lol.

And you do it again with this post, where you once again ignore what I say(Like it #48) and start acting like I said DoK's damage is so low thatit can not have success if carried by it's team, but I have....

.....never said that....

.....and on the contrary, have agreed with that but said other DPS are far better and the DoK needs some help for the reasons I said lol(As I said in 48 explicitly). And you just keep running with that lie. Me talking about how it's kill pressure(Mobility is part of that) is low compared to other dps or other DPS do a more damage, or how I think other DPS are just better is not evidence that supports your claim . It's from a lot of experience. I have also given thoughts specific to ranked as well

As I have always said, and I was always clear on this:

In SCs(Or RvR too*), a ranged DPS, or a DPS with good means to get on target, or other utility like a pull, is ffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr more useful then a slow one that can be easily managed by a tank lol(And ****, even other DPS can easily counterplay it). It used to have the awesome devour essence to counter this, and utility to make it super worth, but with a lot of it being removed but the bad mobility remaining leaves it in a bad spot.



I know why do you act like this lol, do you?

[nocturnalguest]

Woaaah man, pfff i feel like some midschool talks

Like wut?! Why would i hope someone take my words andsame time cite your exact posts so everyone can just see for themselves.

You just go in, drop some stuff discord style and be happy as if you indeed gave some unique info /shrug

Also no offense but doesn't look like logic is your best competence. Demagogue style connecting a phrase about pug which is a referance for a quote you say dividing 6v6 scene and others where you clearly point yourself too using a word "us" into completely other part of discussion about "dok is suboptimal in group" /shrug

I dunno, talk is open i think everyone can figure for themselves lol.

Oh and obviously you know me much better than myself and can explain my behaviour with some conspiracy theories lmao. Cmon, kindergarten levels, can do some much better im sure

However, a serious note. That 6v6 match is valid and fine evidence. It doesn't matter that other team is pug as we dont argue around who won, which comp is stronger etc. It just shows that in a one-sided match choppa done lesser kill dmg and overall dmg with furious specced. If dok would be so suboptimal such number wouldn't be possible.

And for a note you didn't anyhow address yourself anything i said so whole banter is literally based on nothing. Boring

[Bozzax]

My .2$ is that it would be stupidity to add charge to doc or wp

Honestly there are several classes that need attention mele wp/dok are not at the top of my list.

[rychu097]

Top much reading...
1) no gap closer - agree that wp/ dok lack something like this

2) why wp doesnt have covenant slow as dok?

3) dont know if U mentioned that wp/dok need to use 2 abilties to make slow to be somehow useful instead od garbage 3 sec.....

U are kited for hours and when finally have chance to hit u need to use two abilties to slow xDD