[DoK] DPS Spec Advice

[Bozzax]

You can slot strength/crit and maybe more off tactics for more burst/dps (instead of armor and defs). Those who do and play in group good would be op if procs crit so no thanks

[freshour]

Okay well first off please do research on this class before you talk. If you have I apologize if that sounded rude but adding 50% to a CoV/CoC that procs one per GCD would not be OP at all. If it was for a class that gets increased crit damage - you could exempt it from that. But rather than add anything to the discussion, you just do what most forum warriors (1400+posts) do.

I was mainly talking about making the DoK's able to crit, and proceeded to do so with caution. If you have the ability to say something is a bad idea, it is nice to counter with not only why you think it is a bad idea (you did that) but what would be a better idea. (you didn't) - otherwise it's just like reading "wahhhhhhhhhhhh, NO!"

I mean that out of love. But does anyone else have any ideas to make them relevant?

Edit: Strength does nothing to increase the CoV/CoC damage. It is a set damage unless a tactic is used. But again... why even attempt to read how it works.

[Charon]

Sorry for offtopic.. but this thread become more and more compilation of complains about class which is fully viable in sc and rvr gank mode only need a guard from time to time. One of your melee build was nerffed a bit and you crying like it become end off time. So if your class is so lame what i should say about my melee WP (maybe you will argue that mDoK is worse than WP). In heal build we are equal. WP has ED you spamable m2 for every in party which is equivalent of 20 rr for each every 1 min.

However, The bigest difference about ours clases is that DoK has still comunity which wants deffend his great status, about WP carres only few.

[freshour]

You really never played DoK did you? Heal build aren't equal... you literally have a tactic that says 20% more effective healing after you defend an attack. So right out the gate you have no clue. I never said Melee WP was better? I only said it deals more BURST, it has never had more overall damage due to its slower yet harder hitting attacks.

I get English isn't your first language, but don't try and talk off topic if you have bad facts. I was asking a question about things that maybe could be looked into on a DPS SPEC advice thread because usually people post in threads that they have a clue about. So you... a WP who also plays KOTBS, who clearly has limited game knowledge of DoK's, post in a DoK DPS thread not only with bad facts, but just to be a douche? Pretty sure that is how you get threads locked so thanks mate.

[Darosh]

You really never played DoK did you? Heal build aren't equal... you literally have a tactic that says 20% more effective healing after you defend an attack. So right out the gate you have no clue. I never said Melee WP was better? I only said it deals more BURST, it has never had more overall damage due to its slower yet harder hitting attacks.

I get English isn't your first language, but don't try and talk off topic if you have bad facts. I was asking a question about things that maybe could be looked into on a DPS SPEC advice thread because usually people post in threads that they have a clue about. So you... a WP who also plays KOTBS, who clearly has limited game knowledge of DoK's, post in a DoK DPS thread not only with bad facts, but just to be a douche? Pretty sure that is how you get threads locked so thanks mate.

About the marked part:
It doesn't stack with a RPs +25% heal tactic - so it essentially becomes void, even if you do not run a RP (which rarely ever happens) you are better off taking other tactics (e.g.: apfeed, among others), considering you'll still have a offhealer at your side. So, I do agree that WPs/DoKs are for the most part identical in their heal department.

In regards to your attitude, calm a little bit down - theres no point in getting into brawls like that, because those brawls are what are getting threads closed in a heartbeat.

If you want to summon me, or anyone else - Peter is an excellent candiate aswell to discuss possible changes to DoK/WP - use a qoute and spoiler its content.

As it comes to your initial proposal of allowing crits on procs, well, you gotta consider the debuff thing we've been through and the glass spec another poster has hinted at in addition to timestamp economy - I am not saying that you should ditch the idea, but maybe tweak it by thinking about crit multipliers. Overtuning a class by accident is a thing that can happen rather quickly, especially if you try to balance it out with stock toys.

Another idea might be to <slightly> up the proc chance of the offhand, that would up the dps of a DoK aswell while it'd still be filtered through armor, but would yet allow for Subjugator procs and alike to go off alot more often.

Abbd.: Binding the additional dps to itemization would apply a lock to it and make it harder to actually utilize - it'd be a drawback that could be sustained and that'd potentially allow for heftier changes, all things considered.

Abbd.: Run <proper> math to doublecheck your proposals before submitting them, in any case.

E: Words and stuff.
E: **** words, srsly, wtf is wrong today. .-.

[Bozzax]

Okay

Spoiler:

well first off please do research on this class before you talk. If you have I apologize if that sounded rude but adding 50% to a CoV/CoC that procs one per GCD would not be OP at all. If it was for a class that gets increased crit damage - you could exempt it from that. But rather than add anything to the discussion, you just do what most forum warriors (1400+posts) do.

I was mainly talking about making the DoK's able to crit, and proceeded to do so with caution. If you have the ability to say something is a bad idea, it is nice to counter with not only why you think it is a bad idea (you did that) but what would be a better idea. (you didn't) - otherwise it's just like reading "wahhhhhhhhhhhh, NO!"

I mean that out of love. But does anyone else have any ideas to make them relevant?

Edit: Strength does nothing to increase the CoV/CoC damage. It is a set damage unless a tactic is used. But again... why even attempt to read how it works.

I love the irony of someone sloting armor tallies plus avoidance on a mdps and asking for a flat 4-5% (ish) damage buff.

Sorry I'm no text waller but like I wrote good dps doks playing in a 6 man don't need more "free" burst (opinion).

A good idea though is to make proposal of it instead and argue for the case.

[Specialpatrol]

Why is the ICD such a big nerf to dps DoKs, compared to the dps WP?

Is it simply because they use dual-wield, which before made their covenants proc more?

Also, if dps DoK apparently is in such a bad spot (judging from the complaints in this thread), why are there still a ton of DoKs running around dps'ing with seemingly quite good success and topping dps-charts (Starilas, Vaping, Ppadou etc), while I'm struggling to recall the name of a single active dps WP? Not to mention a successful one.

[GodlessCrom]

Dunno if peter still plays, but he ran Clown as a dps WP IIRC.

[Specialpatrol]

Dunno if peter still plays, but he ran Clown as a dps WP IIRC.

I know. But I don't see him on it a regular basis. At least not currently. There are also others. Amadeus from Familjen also plays the dps WP very well. But he doesn't seem to play it much these days either. I also have a WP myself, which I prefer to play dps. But I haven't played it actively in ages, due to the bad state of playstyle. The recent buffs to the class have made me consider dusting it off again - but then again, maybe not.

[Bozzax]

I'd guess wps are slightly stronger atm since hd don't cost you a tactic