BG buffs to be more inline with IB?

[peterthepan3]

can just leave the tree as is and give BoR a 3sec kd if holding a 2h on top of the dot dmg.

Sounds the easiest thing to do, tbh. Also enraged beating deals respectable damage given that it also brings you to a sustained 80/90 hate.

I do agree with Tesq that Block is a bit meh to get as a BG, but this is something that can be fixed for SNB/Loathing BGs, i.e. the lack of any +block tactics/skills. A 5 sec KD on 2h would be a bit too ott, and it may be harder to code giving one ability different KD lengths dependent upon weapon, than it is to simply give one ability a KD that requires 2h.

[Tesq]

can just leave the tree as is and give BoR a 3sec kd if holding a 2h on top of the dot dmg.

Sounds the easiest thing to do, tbh. Also enraged beating deals respectable damage given that it also brings you to a sustained 80/90 hate.

I do agree with Tesq that Block is a bit meh to get as a BG, but this is something that can be fixed for SNB/Loathing BGs, i.e. the lack of any +block tactics/skills. A 5 sec KD on 2h would be a bit too ott, and it may be harder to code giving one ability different KD lengths dependent upon weapon, than it is to simply give one ability a KD that requires 2h.

i do not think is so hard for aza to code it; there was a general KD code + duration or something like that if i not mistake so add a 2h version to a alredy existing skill should be possible. Take into account the KD is currently out of any mastery and require no points make it also a possible 2h version is quality life bigger improvement over give the eff to a require to spec skill.
Generally speaking the malice path is last that need a look, after the bor buff even with the similar eff that the wounds debuff can provide is still the best utility mastery for BG currently.

crit debuff/wounds debuff/auto attack speed increase / best physical dot in game

the other 2 path are making bad the BG not this one. The second need more fix after the swaps, and then there is really few meaning speccing into the third when choppa/we can do the same heal debuff, dok/zeal regen ap and is left with a 20 sec CD ap drain.

Cross mirror speaking which destru class have a disorienting eff? since both SM/engi have those where are they on destru? Since SM/BG are both from same pairing share a disorient would be not much bad. It alredy get the interrupt from the kobs maybe completing the cross mirror would be a good start. Tought what change ? maybe brutal smash str buff......... name sound good for a disoriented eff+ will still have the willp buff and could be moved inside teh mastery and something such elite training could go out. I duno.

[GodlessCrom]

Where are the tanks with morale pump on order? Come on Tesq, you know not every mechanic gets mirrored, even if it makes sense to do so.

[Tesq]

Where are the tanks with morale pump on order? Come on Tesq, you know not every mechanic gets mirrored, even if it makes sense to do so.

no worry is just for saying, you see the first path feel ok, the mid feel in the need of x skill little improvement while the third feel in the need of a rewamp. Duno what to do about i'm just throwing ideas

[Penril]

Cross mirror speaking which destru class have a disorienting eff?

Chosen. You know, that class you have been playing for years.

BO and Mara have them too.

[Tesq]

Cross mirror speaking which destru class have a disorienting eff?

Chosen. You know, that class you have been playing for years.

BO and Mara have them too.

aside from auras that get used very few ye mara bo have it to right

[Penril]

Mara's is 50% AoE.
BO's 25% AoE (spammable)
Chosen 25% (100% uptime)

SM 50% ST
WL 50% ST
Engie 50% AoE

[Tesq]

well i will say it big: give it a CD increase /decrease on third path would it be to op?

edit: alternative mirror fine another kobs tool?
- like the increase heal to all party? remove malice first tactic put detaunt tactic there and give 1 new tactic to bg which increase heals to all party?
-change unstopable fury into runfang mirror?
-give him a tactic which increase one of his st skill and make it aoe as the kobs snare tactic/ or as ib/bo tactic which rebuff all group?
-shielding anger maybe buff the whole group instead just BG(would be a partial good replacement for hold the line while 2h)

(im just throwing ideas as said above)

@penril then any destru class have a set back increase as the kobs aura?

[Natherul]

Alright guys, the way this topic is heading its going for a close due to balance discussion outside of a balance discussion.

I want to keep some threads open so you can try and figure out what exactly is wrong with a class so you can prep for a balance proposal, this is the reason why I have not yet closed this thread.

So if this thread is to stay open lets find an issue, then come up with how to solve it and then post a proposal on it

[TenTonHammer]

Well it seems that we've all come to a consensus on BoR as a cave in mirror to fix 2H Bg so a balance proposal can be made on that


Now tesq and some others have made proposals of various things that would make BG even more offensive in nature such as a runefang mirror tactic and what not, now is that a direction you guys want to see BG go?

The class was essentially designed to be the most offensively oriented of the destro tanks but people do complain of how BO and SM is essentially 1/2 an mdps so I don't know if more damage is the solution


One thing I think we should consider is lower CD on WoS or a greater snare amount if a BG gets it they are committed to loathing and prevent themselves from getting access to strong tools in the either 2 trees additionally as it's been stated before it's competing with BOs uncleanseable 5s AoE snare