Mdps talismans WS vs. Str vs. Armor???

[Neflak]

Trying to min/max my slayer, been talking to a variety of people and I thought I would bring it here as I am getting conflicting answers, but I would love to hear some reasoning behind each side.

Obviously WS will work better the more tanky targets you are hitting, so if people are stacking armor (6v6?) then this will be the best route.

Str seems to be the best all around because you aren't going to get to softcap at current gear levels without using RR and/or some str talismans + the 2 available str tactics Slayer has access too.

Armor seems great as an order player in the current meta of TANK TANK TANK TANK HEALER HEALER, but is it viable to still pull off kills? I guess it wouldn't matter when talking survivability against sorcs, since the other 2 don't really help with that element either.

I guess it really comes down to, get 2 sets of gear! Still working on my first set!

All comments and concerns appreciated, thanks for taking the time!

[footpatrol2]

ya. multiple gear sets I believe is the answer. Who you group with also maters quite a bit. Certain classes provides certain buffs. If you play with the same repeat players all the time you can gear towards what they bring.

[roadkillrobin]

I've done the math on this not so long ago and it's very very even between WS and STR. Against Mid Armor Without armor talismans and Light Armour classes that stacks armor I got pretty much the same ressault bewteen full STR talismans and full Weaponskill talismans, But against light armor classes not stacking armor STR had better outcome, when I hower took it up to Mid Armor class stacking armor and tanks the Weaponskill outpreforms STR by miles. Weaponskill is the way to go imo. As it has better impact on more classes and is less situational.

[Reesh]

Softcap str, then the rest you've got to ws. There's no extra logic in here.

[roadkillrobin]

If you do the math on it Littlefinger you'll see that there is.
If you presume noone stacks armor then your right but thats far from the case. If you wanna have consistant damage on every class and spec you need weaponskill. If you however fight just the same group over and over with 4 light armor classes with no armor talismans then yeah STR is better.

[shaggyboomboom]

If you're playing a slayer, there is no point in going armor talis, because of the slayer mechanic. if you want to be tankier either go wounds talis or toughness talis. i'd say go ws talis, cause the slayer has the highest str (without str talis) due to the tactics he can get.

this also depends on what spec you are. if going AOE go WS talis, and if single target go STR.

[Neflak]

If you're playing a slayer, there is no point in going armor talis, because of the slayer mechanic. if you want to be tankier either go wounds talis or toughness talis. i'd say go ws talis, cause the slayer has the highest str (without str talis) due to the tactics he can get.

this also depends on what spec you are. if going AOE go WS talis, and if single target go STR.

Armor still matters, you only lose armor when you get into the red, and honestly if you are playing against good players you will be dumping rage often because if you get knocked down in red you could just blow up, but I do understand what you are saying. Wounds is great up to a point, but pure mitigation has always seemed like a more logical choice to me, you want a big enough health pool to survive burst (6k at this gear level is sufficient imo w/ guard and assuming proper detaunts/kiting/LOS when available and necessary) but beyond that it really isn't doing you much good.

[peterthepan3]

If you're playing a slayer, there is no point in going armor talis, because of the slayer mechanic. if you want to be tankier either go wounds talis or toughness talis. i'd say go ws talis, cause the slayer has the highest str (without str talis) due to the tactics he can get.

this also depends on what spec you are. if going AOE go WS talis, and if single target go STR.

actually slayer can achieve success with armor tali stacking if you use it with the armor tactic (a choppa can't)

[Reesh]

If you do the math on it Littlefinger you'll see that there is.
If you presume noone stacks armor then your right but thats far from the case. If you wanna have consistant damage on every class and spec you need weaponskill. If you however fight just the same group over and over with 4 light armor classes with no armor talismans then yeah STR is better.

Of course, I know. I was just looking from my point of view, when I'm running with around 600ws and 45-50% armor penetration with softcapped str, which is more then enough for any kind of target. Basically most of my tali slots are filled with ws talis.
So let me readjust, imo the minimum value of ws that slayer has to have is at least 500.

[roadkillrobin]

If you do the math on it Littlefinger you'll see that there is.
If you presume noone stacks armor then your right but thats far from the case. If you wanna have consistant damage on every class and spec you need weaponskill. If you however fight just the same group over and over with 4 light armor classes with no armor talismans then yeah STR is better.

Of course, I know. I was just looking from my point of view, when I'm running with around 600ws and 45-50% armor penetration with softcapped str, which is more then enough for any kind of target. Basically most of my tali slots are filled with ws talis.
So let me readjust, imo the minimum value of ws that slayer has to have is at least 500.

yeah 50% being the ideal number. I would push Armor pen to 50% then focus on STR.