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Nameless
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Re: this is getting out of hand and extremely frustrating

Post#31 » Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:07 am

Kotbs was pre 40s and there everything is possible esp when equipt with top pots, talis and stuff.
Judging balance based on individual leaderboard stats, esp at holiday season is vague.
It is more alarming guild kda stats but firstly we should play some time after holidays.

SW excel is kinda expected since one of the biggest problems for rdps - pull meta, was nerfed.

Bug fixes is major concern atm. Fixing most bugs will shift the meta also cos there are tons of them and some quite major ones.
Mostly harmless

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Caleb
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Re: this is getting out of hand and extremely frustrating

Post#32 » Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:03 pm

arturziomas wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:08 am If there were 5 kotbs on monthly kill leaderboard that would mean that kotbs is op, yes
The leaderboard isn't an indication of class-balance though, hence my joke - You see SWs and Squigs since they are the easiest to farm kills with especially without dying, that definitely draws in a KDA-centric player who would do that in the first place.

The leaderboard is more of an indication of how much someone plays at this point, with an exception for a few people who are regularly there.

Kinja
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Re: this is getting out of hand and extremely frustrating

Post#33 » Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:26 pm

I genuinely love this community. How someone can post an out of context snippet, not even a proper screenshot, of a damage number and people just come out of the woodwork to cry about whatever class is targeted, demand nerfs and/or **** on the devs for not knowing how to balance the game. No one asks what sort of character the hit happened to, what their gear was, what the context of the attack was.

For all you know someone intentionally ran around butt naked, with no tactics equipped on an unbolstered character to produce that "evidence". I wouldn't put it past some people here. So many years and nothing changes, people always trying to nerf the enemy faction into the ground just because they can't or don't want to learn to play. And make no mistake, both factions are guilty of this.

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Re: this is getting out of hand and extremely frustrating

Post#34 » Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:38 pm

Problem with SW damage is that its no debuffs too look out for, unlike BW/Sorc, might also be some buggs floating around currently since Ive personally got crit for higher amounts after patch then before.
Including a couple of 4k+ crits on BiS geared dok.

Avernus
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Re: this is getting out of hand and extremely frustrating

Post#35 » Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:28 pm

Baaldr wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:38 pm Problem with SW damage is that its no debuffs too look out for, unlike BW/Sorc, might also be some buggs floating around currently since Ive personally got crit for higher amounts after patch then before.
Including a couple of 4k+ crits on BiS geared dok.
Yeah, just don't forget about one little fact - if you ignore sorc/BW debuffs they can oneshot you even if you do have a healer. Can SW oneshot you? No. His toolkit just don't have right skills to do so.
P.S. Full armor talis DoK?

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Re: this is getting out of hand and extremely frustrating

Post#36 » Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:27 am

Avernus wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:28 pm
Baaldr wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:38 pm Problem with SW damage is that its no debuffs too look out for, unlike BW/Sorc, might also be some buggs floating around currently since Ive personally got crit for higher amounts after patch then before.
Including a couple of 4k+ crits on BiS geared dok.
Yeah, just don't forget about one little fact - if you ignore sorc/BW debuffs they can oneshot you even if you do have a healer. Can SW oneshot you? No. His toolkit just don't have right skills to do so.
P.S. Full armor talis DoK?
Nobody in this game can one shot anyone - if you mean cast only one ability and that takes you from full health to dead - if you are low health then of course you can killed for that final bit of health in one shot. It will take several gcd for one person to take someone from full health to dead and yes SW have the kit to do that- not saying they shouldnt but simply that they do. So enough BS arguments that SW can only damage low cr/rr naked palyers and only tickle the rest

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Re: this is getting out of hand and extremely frustrating

Post#37 » Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:30 am

Baaldr wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:38 pm Problem with SW damage is that its no debuffs to look out for, unlike BW/Sorc, might also be some buggs floating around currently since Ive personally got crit for higher amounts after patch then before.
Including a couple of 4k+ crits on BiS geared dok.
Yes. Only debuff they got are init with the ranged KD, and 10% ctbc with crosscut, but it needs to be played assault.

Other than gimmicky scout or barrage spam builds, SW is pretty gimped without strong points where he can excels.

Decent DPS with decent versatility (provided you spec for assault and skirmish), but nothing that can be brought on the table or especially demanded in small scale/wb play.

If the class would get any group buff (at least make AP regen skill twice the value for group for a start) it could be better.

Currently, only the ability to AoE debuff avoidances with Pierce Defense tactic is worth it in group play, but Engineer can do exactly the same, so...

PS: I got a 2400 crit on Glass arrow yesterday, in rvr lakes. Looks like something strange is going on with crits, % increased damage and procs...

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Re: this is getting out of hand and extremely frustrating

Post#38 » Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:34 pm

They continue tô be top killers in killboard.
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Re: this is getting out of hand and extremely frustrating

Post#39 » Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:49 pm

oaliaen wrote: Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:34 pm They continue tô be top killers in killboard.
Shocking, a class with a high dps finisher makes deathblows :o
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Re: this is getting out of hand and extremely frustrating

Post#40 » Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:50 pm

Everdin wrote: Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:49 pm
oaliaen wrote: Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:34 pm They continue tô be top killers in killboard.
Shocking, a class with a high dps finisher makes deathblows :o
Ok, so could you tell me how 2 of them succeed in using 4 abilities in 1 second. Need the same thing for my Rsh :P

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