Dual Wield and Greatweapon balance

[Jaycub]

Further down the line it could be - but you'd have to make both 2H and S&B viable playstyles on every tank first, before looking at using tactic slots in that way.

I would like to know which tank is not viable in either 2h or snb yet.

Viable might of been a strong word, but there is no denying that s/b knight is clearly better than 2h knight, same thing with BG.

You lose dirty tricks/5 sec kd for wounds debuff/crimson death, and neither of those classes are gaining much damage from picking up the 2h (they can spec s/b dps), for instance on the knight all the mechanisms like runefang, emperors champions etc... are all usable with s/b.

The amount of survivability you lose dropping the shield along with HtL as well, means you have to focus more on def stats when using a 2h to find that sweetspot where you won't die guarding someone or become a burden to your healers etc... Of course that is going to vary group to group, better players/healers means you can get away with a lot more.

[Scrilian]

I would like to know which tank is not viable in either 2h or snb yet.

Its not a matter of viable, its a matter that the SnB version is far far superior that in group play there is no real reason to take the 2h variant over the SnB one

Group oriented builds that were designed that way are somehow superior in group play, wow just baffling.
Needs to be balanced asap, so problematic, important matter.

[Ghostweed]

@OP



It will buff mostly Order (WL, 2h IB, 2h WP) and it will make WLs (a.k.a. Pounce bot) burst even more brutal.

edit: to be constructive - 10% armor striketrought or flat dmg increase will be ok.

[TenTonHammer]

Group oriented builds that were designed that way are somehow superior in group play, wow just baffling.
Needs to be balanced asap, so problematic, important matter.

So because a tank chooses to 2H it automatically becomes a non group oriented build? Abilites like crimson death are meant to be assist type abilites

Are you saying that all builds shouldn't be made to be equally viable in group play?

And why yes to me it is an important matter when my friends that i run with and do group stuff together tell me "no go repec into anguish or loathing, and grab a shield or we wont let your bg run with us" cause 2h bg cant get the job done

[Scrilian]

Group oriented builds that were designed that way are somehow superior in group play, wow just baffling.
Needs to be balanced asap, so problematic, important matter.

So because a tank chooses to 2H it automatically becomes a non group oriented build? Abilites like crimson death are meant to be assist type abilites

Are you saying that all builds shouldn't be made to be equally viable in group play?

And why yes to me it is an important matter when my friends that i run with and do group stuff together tell me "no go repec into anguish or loathing, and grab a shield or we wont let your bg run with us" cause 2h bg cant get the job done

Yes
Yes
What kind of friends are that? I could even run a dps-runepriest in the group and they wouldn't give a damn

[roadkillrobin]

In t4, moast destro tanks were 2h as far as i remember, Chosen stacked crit to get Crippeling Blows on 2hander i think. and BG's to get Crimson and wounds debuffs combo wich also stacks with the Chosen wounds debuff. A ST knockdown even if it's 5sec is kinda meh for WB's sure you pretty much garantee a kill but it hasn't really a impact on the larger scale in the long run.

[noisestorm]

wich also stacks with the Chosen wounds debuff

This my friend, is luckily not true.

[TenTonHammer]

In t4, moast destro tanks were 2h as far as i remember, Chosen stacked crit to get Crippeling Blows on 2hander i think. and BG's to get Crimson and wounds debuffs combo wich also stacks with the Chosen wounds debuff. A ST knockdown even if it's 5sec is kinda meh for WB's sure you pretty much garantee a kill but it hasn't really a impact on the larger scale in the long run.

then something is wrong with your memory or you knew some wired groups as i remember a vast majority of chosens going tri spec

destined for victory was pretty much a must have

crimson death is a joke ability right now and on live that no real serious bg player would drop 5sec KD, better guard, hold the line and near 100% magic disrupt chance with shielding anger and HTL for

no one cares about or balances to large scale i could run melee squig herder in large scale but that dosnt mean the tree is good or viable

nothing matter in large scale wb v wb and you can run or do what ever you want in that situation

and wounds debuffs dont stack

[TenTonHammer]

Is this a joke ? Instead of nerfing duals you should buff great weapons if you think they are underpowered. Duals are working fine, why touch them ? That doesn't make any sense.

he never said any thing about nerfing dw

[PartizanRUS]

Damn this forum, i can't do anything with my previous post.