Runepriest vs Zealot vampire tactic RP bonus 10% disrupt bypass?

[Leviathan333]

Is there any reason why the same tactic, in the same respective trees, that the RP gets a bonus 10% disrupt bypass over the same tactic that zeals get?
Is literally the same thing, but the RP gets a bonus disrupt bypass while the zealot doesn't? I know it's "not all mirrors", but that seems a bit in your face.

RP Efficient Runecarving:"While under the effects of your Rune of Breaking; you gain 10% disrupt strikethrough and each time you deal direct damage, your defensive target is healed for 50% of the damage dealt."

Zeal Transference: "While under the effects of your Harbinger of Doom; each time you deal direct damage, your defensive target is healed for 50% of the damage dealt.:

[wargrimnir]

Big bot energy in this post.

[AxelF]

Or how the tactic that makes Demon Spittle debuff armour also provides a corp debuff (zealot's main damage type) as well, and sits at 3 points in the tree; whilst the RP equivalent only debuffs armour and is a 7 point ability? You're right, it's "not all mirrors".

[Leviathan333]

Because the lvl 3 tactic increases the RP's equivalent by another 50% of said spell (Rune of cleaving plus rune of battle) by 50%. From 40 to 60 range while the zeal's stays at 40. So it's not like they're not getting something in return. No where in zealot isa flat 10% disrupt bypass, and seems very odd that something that's basically the same in wording and station gets a bypass while the other doesn't.

[Omegus]

Is there any reason why the same tactic, in the same respective trees, that the RP gets a bonus 10% disrupt bypass over the same tactic that zeals get?
Is literally the same thing, but the RP gets a bonus disrupt bypass while the zealot doesn't? I know it's "not all mirrors", but that seems a bit in your face.

RP Efficient Runecarving:"While under the effects of your Rune of Breaking; you gain 10% disrupt strikethrough and each time you deal direct damage, your defensive target is healed for 50% of the damage dealt."

Zeal Transference: "While under the effects of your Harbinger of Doom; each time you deal direct damage, your defensive target is healed for 50% of the damage dealt.:

The Zealot also got the 10% buff before the ability rework but it was missing from the tooltip. It then got reverted completely when the rework went live. It's on the bug tracker: https://bugs.returnofreckoning.com/view.php?id=22000

Or how the tactic that makes Demon Spittle debuff armour also provides a corp debuff (zealot's main damage type) as well, and sits at 3 points in the tree; whilst the RP equivalent only debuffs armour and is a 7 point ability? You're right, it's "not all mirrors".

The position in the trees is weird, but the damage debuff has nothing to do with RP being nerfed. It's actually due to BW vs Sorc. BW and RP both do Elemental as their primary damage, however Sorc does Spirit as its primary damage and Zealot does corp. This means the corp debuff on destro - which stacks with other buffs - is nowhere near as powerful as an elemental debuff on order. FWIW the Zealot has The Most Useless Tactic In The Entire Game as it's 7 point AOE tactic. Half the tooltip is redundant as it changes a 30ft radius ability to... a 30ft radius.

Zealot gets to hit a bit harder, while the RP gets increased AOE range on the right tree.

[Fey]

Slow day on the forums. Pretty interesting all the same.

[AxelF]

Or how the tactic that makes Demon Spittle debuff armour also provides a corp debuff (zealot's main damage type) as well, and sits at 3 points in the tree; whilst the RP equivalent only debuffs armour and is a 7 point ability? You're right, it's "not all mirrors".

The position in the trees is weird, but the damage debuff has nothing to do with RP being nerfed. It's actually due to BW vs Sorc. BW and RP both do Elemental as their primary damage, however Sorc does Spirit as its primary damage and Zealot does corp. This means the corp debuff on destro - which stacks with other buffs - is nowhere near as powerful as an elemental debuff on order. FWIW the Zealot has The Most Useless Tactic In The Entire Game as it's 7 point AOE tactic. Half the tooltip is redundant as it changes a 30ft radius ability to... a 30ft radius.

Zealot gets to hit a bit harder, while the RP gets increased AOE range on the right tree.

Yeah, I'm aware of that - just pointing out that it's "not all mirrors" and whining about a single tactic in isolation is pretty disingenuous.

As an aside it's an interesting trade off, particularly for solo roam - 10% strike through and a little harder hitting main abilities by virtue of having 4 more points to put in left/middle trees as RP can't reach Concussive Runes (and wouldn't benefit from it anyway), vs the ability to debuff resistance against your own damage type.

[Leviathan333]

I'd beg to differ, ALL RP and Zeal's lvl 11 tactics are identical mirrors of each other, minus the RP getting the free 10% bypass. THAT is the crux of the argument that 10% strike through supplied via a MIRRORED tactic, that benefits ALL RP's offensive spells. We could also talk about RP's undefendable (Potent Runes) tactic as well if you'd like. Can knit pick back and forth about tactics that buff and debuff certain abilities sure, but that's not the case. The problem is basically a 10% bypass on ALL abilities vs one that doesn't on a mirror.

[AxelF]

You certainly can nit pick. Look at it as a whole, not one tactic in isolation.

[Leviathan333]

Your argument is about OTHER tactics not mirrored, my argurment is about the MIRRORED tactics. Here, i'll make it easier for you. ALL are rank 11 tactics.
Zeal: Charger's Touch - Critical direct damage hits place a debuff on your target that reduces all incoming healing by 30% for 5 seconds.
RP: Rune of Nullifacation - Critical direct damage hits place a debuff on your target that reduces all incoming healing by 30% for 5 seconds.

SAME mirror.

Zeal: Tzeentch's Grip - Direct heals you cast have a 25% chance to create a shield on your target that can absorb up to 712 damage over 10 seconds.
RP :Ancestor's Echo - Direct heals you cast have a 25% chance to create a shield on your target that can absorb up to 712 damage over 10 seconds.

SAME mirror

Now, lets talk about the LAST one in question.
Zeal: Transference - While under the effects of your Harbinger of Doom; each time you deal direct damage, your defensive target is healed for 50% of the damage dealt.
RP: Efficient Runecarving - While under the effects of your Rune of Breaking; you gain 10% disrupt strikethrough and each time you deal direct damage, your defensive target is healed for 50% of the damage dealt

Again, the "entire class" in not a "perfect mirror", BUT, the M I R R O R E D tactics are the SAME minus the RP gets the BONUS 10% disrupt strikethrough, so excluding all the other NONmirrored tactics that are zeal/RP specific, and focusing on the MIRRORED tactics, I again ask why the MIRRORED tactic for the RP gets the +10% and the zeal doesn't.