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popperz
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Busting two myths about BG

Post#1 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:27 pm

Myth 1: Crimson death (CD) does not add the crit to BG, but only to the allies (since the tooltip claims "to others")
Myth 2: BG skill Force of Fury is such an amazing skill cause it gives insane anticrit (since why not and the tooltip is sexy)

Result in image:
1) Indeed CD increases crit chance and BG is affected
2) The anticrit is absolute rubbish. And less crit you have the less the ability is worth.

https://ibb.co/Rc4BXJP
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Re: Busting two myths about BG

Post#2 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:37 pm

The second one is interesting, I wonder what calculations are mixed in when you use force of fury

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Post#3 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:40 pm

If asw have easy 60% crit chance. Crit resist its ok

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Post#4 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:40 pm

FoF not being a flat reduction is very interesting, and also a giant slap in the face to one of the few things people thought BGs were good at. I would assume it has to do it before flat crit chance reduction, otherwise if someone was at -10% to be crit and had FoF on them then it would put them at -5.5%, i.e. make it worse!

BG players: did you know this? Did you lie about it to increase your chances of getting into groups and warbamds? :P
wachlarz wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:40 pm If asw have easy 60% crit chance. Crit resist its ok
Look at the image in the OP to see what the skill actually does.
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Re: Busting two myths about BG

Post#5 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:41 pm

wachlarz wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:40 pm If asw have easy 60% crit chance. Crit resist its ok
It's not reduction of enemy's crit rate. It's reduction of your chance to be critically hit. So if you have 0% - u get em 0 :)
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Post#6 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:44 pm

popperz wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:41 pm
wachlarz wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:40 pm If asw have easy 60% crit chance. Crit resist its ok
It's not reduction of enemy's crit rate. It's reduction of your chance to be critically hit. So if you have 0% - u get em 0 :)
This is probably the only flat crit modifier that is multiplicative rather than additive though.

edit: this also explains why from a healing point of view PVE Black Guards using this tactic tend to be squisher than I would otherwise expect them to be.
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Re: Busting two myths about BG

Post#7 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:44 pm

And here I started playing around with RoR.builders - Black Guard
As a 2h bg. OH well, back to crimson death.

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Re: Busting two myths about BG

Post#8 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:50 pm

byt still crimson death is good better than ib
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Re: Busting two myths about BG

Post#9 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:50 pm

Omegus wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:44 pm This is probably the only flat crit modifier that is multiplicative rather than additive though.
I am afraid to test Crush the Weak. I will just leave it untested. I want to believe I make an impact on enemy's dps.
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Re: Busting two myths about BG

Post#10 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:55 pm

popperz wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:50 pm
Omegus wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:44 pm This is probably the only flat crit modifier that is multiplicative rather than additive though.
I am afraid to test Crush the Weak. I will just leave it untested. I want to believe I make an impact on enemy's dps.
You do... it's just that the impact could be -4% crit in real terms rather than -20% :P

I'm curious to know if the Marauder's 10% increase to be critically hit (the penalty on Feeding on Fear tactic) is multiplicative on a class that can stack crazy init. 10% chance to be crit plus this tactic should be 20% chance to be crit... but what if it's just 11% instead?
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