Scenario Matchmaking Rework Megathread

[Nameless]

Info hub for class que that we got for ranked should be introduced for all scens
Let ppl see how many of each archetype are in queu for normal and disc scens

[Culexus]

Not sure if you can say much about this yet, but will mastery path be taken into account when allocating classes to a sc?

Its great having a system generate a 2/2/2, but if a healer is in dps spec it will throw the whole group balance off which can cause a lot of anger towards the dps healer player. It happens a lot already when you think you have a healer in the party and see those dreaded words typed into sc chat "I don't heal I'm dps".

[Hazmy]

Not sure if you can say much about this yet, but will mastery path be taken into account when allocating classes to a sc?

It already is taken into account!

[Zxul]

those dreaded words typed into sc chat "I don't heal I'm dps".

On the side note reminds me of a zealot which I had back on live, named Selfhealsonly. Made people so happy when I entered a sc in dps spec "omfg even zeal is dps".

[zumos2]

For the love of gods remove barriers, allow free entrance to your own wc and bring guard's kills renown. Then pugs may try and at some point succeed at fighting premade.

I have many found memories from WAR where prems lose to good bunch of pug players. To achive that pug player need the leverage of save spot to retired and possibility to gain something even if that is guard kill

Agreed, should bring back guards and not barriers. Want to spawn camp, face the chance of getting pulled / punted into guards. The reason barriers were implemented appears to be to protect KDR for premades.

100% agreed. Barriers just promote afk. Get rid of them and bring back guards for a chance to keep fighting

The exact opposite is true. When players lose they can just run back into their warcamp and afk. With barrier you are forced to actually fight.

[Nameless]

Agreed, should bring back guards and not barriers. Want to spawn camp, face the chance of getting pulled / punted into guards. The reason barriers were implemented appears to be to protect KDR for premades.

100% agreed. Barriers just promote afk. Get rid of them and bring back guards for a chance to keep fighting

The exact opposite is true. When players lose they can just run back into their warcamp and afk. With barrier you are forced to actually fight.

Not true, when you have barrier you got massacred or you run and hide. There is no fight cos composition, players skills, classes or whatever are not equal. So weaker side need leverage to put a fight. And that is safe spot for healers and rdps near guard. Allow renown for guard kills and even tanks and mdps will try to fight while got guarantee heals.
C'mon guys didnt you play scens at war. Everyine was fighting cos 1 guard kill was 2-3k renown.

You could even check surrender vote time (and even kills count cos barriers means less kills in total) on all scens with barriers vs all scens with way back to wc. You have the info just read it

[zumos2]

“We are also hoping to improve the scenario grouping if for any reason a premade is put against a pick up group. Although we want to mainly not mix pugs and premades.”

This is a really big worry. The game should promote players for making premades, not potentially punish them. If this system punishes you for forming a group by just not giving you scenario pops, that would be terrible.

In general I think that no scenario should pop without every group having at least 1 tank and 1 healer. If a full premade enters the scenario you could increase that restriction to always having a 2-2-2, so there is a good fighting chance. A random 2-2-2 with good players can still beat a bad full premade in a 12v12+ scenario.

Of course if there are an equal amount of premades on both sides they can be matched against each other. But if the system forces it, additional rewards would be fair. In general I think the rewards of scenarios vs RvR are imbalanced at the moment. Only feels worth doing scenarios during the weekend event.

[zumos2]

100% agreed. Barriers just promote afk. Get rid of them and bring back guards for a chance to keep fighting

The exact opposite is true. When players lose they can just run back into their warcamp and afk. With barrier you are forced to actually fight.

Not true, when you have barrier you got massacred or you run and hide. There is no fight cos composition, players skills, classes or whatever are not equal. So weaker side need leverage to put a fight. And that is safe spot for healers and rdps near guard. Allow renown for guard kills and even tanks and mdps will try to fight while got guarantee heals.
C'mon guys didnt you play scens at war. Everyine was fighting cos 1 guard kill was 2-3k renown.

You could even check surrender vote time (and even kills count cos barriers means less kills in total) on all scens with barriers vs all scens with way back to wc. You have the info just read it

I've dominated enough scenarios to tell you that when one side gets dominated they give up instantly with whatever system. But being able to just run back into your warcamp to afk and surrender is a stupid design. I've had scenario weekends where we get 10 wins and like 60-70 kills cause the enemy refuses to fight and just sits in their warcamp.

[Bozzax]

Nope you die one time then afk and lately I see more hide or book out (that makes it even more one sided) so I don't think barriers is working tbh. I Agree tho that players that recognize an impossible match/lineup/group would dodge wo barriers and likely more often.

Lately I'm personally just booking out of scs with 5 rdps vs a 6man it isn't worth the time. I watch footy instead

[Nameless]

The exact opposite is true. When players lose they can just run back into their warcamp and afk. With barrier you are forced to actually fight.

Not true, when you have barrier you got massacred or you run and hide. There is no fight cos composition, players skills, classes or whatever are not equal. So weaker side need leverage to put a fight. And that is safe spot for healers and rdps near guard. Allow renown for guard kills and even tanks and mdps will try to fight while got guarantee heals.
C'mon guys didnt you play scens at war. Everyine was fighting cos 1 guard kill was 2-3k renown.

You could even check surrender vote time (and even kills count cos barriers means less kills in total) on all scens with barriers vs all scens with way back to wc. You have the info just read it

I've dominated enough scenarios to tell you that when one side gets dominated they give up instantly with whatever system. But being able to just run back into your warcamp to afk and surrender is a stupid design. I've had scenario weekends where we get 10 wins and like 60-70 kills cause the enemy refuses to fight and just sits in their warcamp.

I play alot of scens myself here and back then on war. And unlike you I play both sweaty prems and soloing. All scens with guards gives much more opportunities for fights. It is still not equal but it is fight and pugs if good enough could make comeback. When barrier is there, you could get just farm fest for premade.
It is kinda sad that this is your preferred gameplay