Deadpoet wrote: Thu Nov 20, 2025 9:24 am
Vast majority of players are solo queuers. They don't mind archetype disparity, they will accept total randomness, sometimes you dont have any healers, sometimes you have a perfect comp. It's all right as long as they have a chance. They would do scs even if it gave zero renown. Most people want casual gameplay, have a little fun.
Just make it that solo queuers can only queue for discordant, whatever the archetype combination is, and all problems of queue times and frustration and ppl quitting the game after being stomped 30 times in a row will go away.
I know this is a team game. I know most ppl don't play this game the way it's supposed to be played. We can keep ignoring reality and losing playerbase to fit an ideal, Or we can just learn from frigging t1 Nordland fights, where you can have your plug and play fun time and a chance at a fair fight. Sometimes one faction doesnt have any healers, sometimes its too tank heavy and not enough damage, etc. So what? things change quickly for the next engagement, people have lots of fun regardless.
Scenarios have the potential of being the most fun experience of the game. As long as you keep the ultracompetitive premier league teams fighting each other, and the casual general populace having their fun.
Just give the people who play this game the way it should be played (premades) greater rewards, incentives, aristocratic titles, hero status, bragging rights, whatever. Just let most people have a chance at enjoying a content that is free from ultraorganized pug milking.
I strongly disagree with this take. If the majority of people queueing sc's were solo players, discordant sc's would pop non-stop, but they don't.
There are almost no tryhard "premier league" sweaty premades left in the game. Almost all of them stopped playing the game entirely. At most, If I really try to justify some groups being "sweaty tryhards" (which they are not), there maybe are two groups total that would fit that description. The rest is just preset groups of players in different sizes that sit in discord or /5 teams that cba to play 12 rdps no tank 2 healer matches.
Excluding the "maybe" 2 sweatlord groups still playing the game, a nice 2/2/2 setup with players who actually press their buttons in the correct order can put up a decent fight vs the majority of the pre build groups. Issues arise when low skill players are mixed in, that don't understand how to properly execute a basic rotation. But there's nothing that can be done about it if these players don't actively look for improvements.
That being said If it's a possibility population wise, of course pre build groups should be matched with other pre build groups ideally. If devs manage to tackle the group stacking on one side there's a really good chance of the system actually benefiting all players interested in the game mode.
