Warrior Priest/DoK healing inequalities.

[Faldrino]

You cannot compare 2 random tactics of WP and DoK and then conclude that book WP is somehow way better than chalice DoK. Balance and the game is much more complex. For one Discipline giving a flat heal increase of roughly 10% is overall quite similar in power level to Exalted Defenses. The willpower you get from Discipline also increases your disrupt chance a bit.

Discipline helps, but WP's get it too, so using it in an argument against why I'm wrong doesn't help your case - You get Discipline and Exalted Defenses at the same time, whereas we get some Willpower. Arguably, it benefits a WP even more as it provides Disrupt too, which can be used to trigger Exalted Defenses.

Even though I think you shouldn't just compare mirrors when balancing, even if we did for the sake of this discussion, DoK also has several advantages. Pillage Essence giving DoK way stronger SE management than WP can get.

Discussing SnB DoK/WP isn't what I was pointing too, I'd argue that 70% of players are go Chalice/Book, so point is kinda moot there.

It is way safer for DoK to play close to the melee train in large scale as they don't have to fear to be pulled into the meatgrinder.

Read the P.S note at the bottom of my original post please.

DoK also has a much stronger M2, which will also get buffed to cleanse everything with the upcoming patch. Potent Covenant will become much more usefull with upcoming patch as well, with Covenant of Celerity being able to proc on multiple targets with AoE attacks.

Reading about Provisional patch notes that are subject to change and aren't even applied to live servers yet doesn't help here either. If we're going to start pointing at Morales, I'd like to direct your attention to the WP M1 and the DoK M1. Compare the two and decide which you would rather have in a fight.

- You seem to think that you have an infinite amount of tactic slots. You don't have enough slots to run both Exalted Defenses and Discipline, so my point remains valid.
- The fact that you think that Pillage Essence is only relevant for SnB DoK says enough about your knowledge about the class.
- You cannot ignore overall realm balance and differences between the two realms. Context matters when it comes to balance, especially if you try to compare mirrors (which I would advise against anyway).
- Even currently I prefer playing my DoK over WP and the upcoming changes give more little buffs to DoK.

-I don't know where you got the idea that I beleive that there's an "infinite amount of tactic slots" but I would consider both of these to be core to my build if I was running a WP, as I focus on willpower with my DoK, and the 20% extra healing with the Willpower would be vital for how I play my DoK; whether it is BiS or not is irrelevant.
-I have never once run it because I believe that Essence Lash is superior in every way. Ranged, 5 second CD and affects multiple targets, in most fights it'll restore 100+ SE each cast, and with Chop Fasta, I can go straight to 250 in 2-3 casts. Also, on the topic of Pillage Essence, The WP equivalent provides a heal de-buff, which DoKs simply do not have, in any capacity.
-You're right, I can't ignore it, but this forum post isn't about other classes balancing within the game. You mention Destro Pulls, but neglect to mention the superior AoE of most of your ranged classes and the class that shall not be named and it's ability to ignore defences. If I stand too close to the front line, I get blasted. Possibly through my build, possibly through overwhelming AoE.
-You say that you play DoK over WP due to upcoming buffs. Upcoming buffs that, mind you, are subject to change and aren't even live yet. That's fine, but you have made little to no comment regarding the clearly better healing that one mirror provides over the other.

This thread was not made to comment on other specs/classes/balance, it was made to highlight the major discrepancy between Order and Destro healers, specifically DoKs and WP's. You keep trying to derail the topic into other issues that I am either unequipped to comment on (SnB/DPS DoKs) or are irrelevant to the subject.

[p00ky]

So not to be rude, but which WP in premade warbands wastes his tactic bar using this ability? It doesnt trigger enough to use and there are far more vital tactics needed in a warband.

If we were to only compare Dok to WP, yes WP is probably better but solely for the group wounds buff not for heal output. Order healers still have to continuosly kite around the absurd amount of CC destro chucks out.

Now if we were to compare Order healers to Destro healers, destro has the shammy, by far the best healer in the game without comparisonn (at least until balance changes come into play )

[Lisutaris]

I can agree on most things, however DoK&WP have a dedicated DPS spec and are not healer with that one. Sure, you have access to debuffed heals (because of tactics) and your rend soul to support the healer(s) but long story short, dps spec on a DOK or WP = DPS substitute. (With its downsides ofc)

To rework those classes to have a 3rd healing spec is most likely the wrong way to solve it. Making the DPS spec more useful for your grp or team should have priority.
That could be done in many different ways but that class needs some kind of buff for their burst or mobility. (If we just look at the DMG-Dealer part of it and nothing else gets better).
For DPS DoK/WP I would love to see some sort of stackable debuff on your target (like +xyz more inc crit or more % inc dmg). Would boost overall dmg for the group, making it more useful and also supports the idea of assisting your other dps for the main assist target. Simple buff, not too complicated and focussed on grp play. Maybe with some additional downside, like slowly draining AP/Ressources or reducing your defense, dont know, should be balanced and not overpowered. A group shouldnt feel bad of having a dmg dok/wp or dps shaman or dps AM or .... you get my point.