DPS WP in a Warband setting

[Lucino]

he Bludgeon ArP tactic. You would LOVE to use this for AoE but it requires you to waste GCDs on a Single Target skill to maintain a buff

I agree with this. And when it gets parried or blocked you just wasted another GCD trying to get this up.

Solution: Just make the Smite tactic also make Hammer aoe and do like..35% less damage or something. ezfix.

This is the solution i would prefer. This fits best imo with the big hammer swinging theme of the dps wp.

I disagree about Soulfire not needing a tweak. The 1 second casttime usually ends being a 3second casttime in orvr situations due to setback. Those are better spend on 2 more smites. So an instant cast with a cooldown would suit mdps better I think. Damagenumbers could be tuned then if it is really as good as you claim.

[live4treasure]

I have no qualm with DPS WP functioning as an AoE DPS; I think that any build rework should cover as many bases as possible.

Pure DPS classes can have an "AoE tree" and a "ST tree" but I don't think that really works for DPS healers as they have trees devoted to other things like healing.

That said, I disagree with most of what is said in this thread lol. First of all, there are some very, very good DPS Warrior Priests, none of which are on your list; you just have the loud minority listed. I have never struggled against DPS WP in 10 years until this weekend, a premade with 2 of them, piloted by Frozenover.

Now that the ego part is over, let's talk about the flaws of the DPS Warrior Priest. Soulfire DOES NOT need a rework and it certainly does not need buffs! My Bloodlord Warrior Priest with 160 damage bonus crits 500 on Soulfire and Guilty Soul ticks for about 800. You are creating over 1k avg aoe dot tick / 3 seconds. Soulfire is one of the best dots in the game, and it's AoE. People who are saying it needs to be TRIPLED are.. interesting. The problem with AoE DPS Warrior Priest is 3 major things:
A. It's stupidly reliant on crit. Crit = Guilty Soul = Damage.
B. Hammer of Sigmar and Divine Impact can't be converted to AoE via tactic. The rework for ST made sense but it somehow didn't translate in any way to AoE. LOL? Just another undercooked rework.
C. You're comparing it to White Lion, one of the most broken iterations of an aoe class since pre-1.2 on live. It's an Abomination and needs to be tuned down. This isn't even including some major bugs affecting damage reduction right now, which drastically change how the game is played.

Outside of that, it's just minor, silly things that were completely overlooked in the rework, even though they were mentioned by the feedback team such as: The Bludgeon ArP tactic. You would LOVE to use this for AoE but it requires you to waste GCDs on a Single Target skill to maintain a buff

Solution: Just make the Smite tactic also make Hammer aoe and do like..35% less damage or something. ezfix.

Hammer of Sigmar becoming AoE with the tactic is indeed a way to make the WP better, and listed in the OP.

One thing I disagree with on principle is that Soulfire isn't detrimental. The thing is that BECAUSE you are dependant on crit, using another smite is basically always better than using Soulfire, because it gives a chance to crit and a chance to stack guilty soul. If you think about it, it takes a long, long time to stack up 3 stacks of guilty soul, and delaying it even further by using soulfire is generally gonna be a DPS loss.

[gersy]

it's an ST focused mastery tree by design, it's not really meant to be played in aoe except maybe for expressly fun purposes in casual content. it's fairly clearly written all over the design of it. not sure why you want to make something different out of what is explicitly there. why try to turn an apple in to an orange? accept that it is an apple or go find some oranges.

Sitting in an armchair and speaking about apples and oranges is fine, but the reason I have gone through the trouble to assemble signatures of well known veterans of the DPS WP archetype is precisely because they are qualified to speak about it.

brother if that's the case you probably should've assembled signatures of people who actually know how to play the game and know how game design works then. since the ones you have are unfortunately mostly lacking in both departments. seems like you mostly just took some vocal WP 1 tricks with high RR level that play in NA or play solo instead of searching out for actual strong players. the comments and suggestions in this thread as well as discord, combined with playing against all of them ingame several times speaks volumes about that.

there are infinitely better overall players who play dps WP that you could've asked. those who are not WP 1 tricks, those who understand the game very well while playing all archetypes on both sides in actual competitive environments. these signatures you have get farmed by vanq geared alts on the regular. although those more skilled players are not speaking at surface level and may be reclusive to someone like you. sorry if they catch some flak here, i don't dislike any of them, but boasting these signatures is just not the play. as for those better off contributing, they wouldn't help your cause more than likely anyway as they realize that the spec exists for ST niche where it is extremely powerful in current meta and they don't try to force it in to aoe where all you do is hinder yourself and your teammates by playing something subpar

[live4treasure]

it's an ST focused mastery tree by design, it's not really meant to be played in aoe except maybe for expressly fun purposes in casual content. it's fairly clearly written all over the design of it. not sure why you want to make something different out of what is explicitly there. why try to turn an apple in to an orange? accept that it is an apple or go find some oranges.

Sitting in an armchair and speaking about apples and oranges is fine, but the reason I have gone through the trouble to assemble signatures of well known veterans of the DPS WP archetype is precisely because they are qualified to speak about it.

brother if that's the case you probably should've assembled signatures of people who actually know how to play the game and know how game design works then. since the ones you have are unfortunately mostly lacking in both departments. seems like you mostly just took some vocal WP 1 tricks with high RR level that play in NA or play solo instead of searching out for actual strong players. the comments and suggestions in this thread as well as discord, combined with playing against all of them ingame several times speaks volumes about that.

there are infinitely better overall players who play dps WP that you could've asked. those who are not WP 1 tricks, those who understand the game very well while playing all archetypes on both sides in actual competitive environments. these signatures you have get farmed by vanq geared alts on the regular. although those more skilled players are not speaking at surface level and may be reclusive to someone like you. sorry if they catch some flak here, i don't dislike any of them, but boasting these signatures is just not the play. as for those better off contributing, they wouldn't help your cause more than likely anyway as they realize that the spec exists for ST niche where it is extremely powerful in current meta and they don't try to force it in to aoe where all you do is hinder yourself and your teammates by playing something subpar

I think the last part of your post proves my point. But even if you count yourself as one of those players, which I think you are trying to imply you are, you still missed most of the details of the DPS WP that were being invoked in this thread. So yes, over the course of the conversation, it didn't seem like you were particularly qualified, nor really read too deeply into what's being discussed.

Yes, it's quite powerful in ST right now. So what? Unless you explain why that has anything to do with the current topic, then once again, it sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. The changes suggested in this thread don't in any way even remotely touch the ST abilities of WP.

[gersy]

Sitting in an armchair and speaking about apples and oranges is fine, but the reason I have gone through the trouble to assemble signatures of well known veterans of the DPS WP archetype is precisely because they are qualified to speak about it.

brother

I think the last part of your post proves my point. But even if you count yourself as one of those players, which I think you are trying to imply you are, you still missed most of the details of the DPS WP that were being invoked in this thread. So yes, over the course of the conversation, it didn't seem like you were particularly qualified, nor really read too deeply into what's being discussed.

Yes, it's quite powerful in ST right now. So what? Unless you explain why that has anything to do with the current topic, then once again, it sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. The changes suggested in this thread don't in any way even remotely touch the ST abilities of WP.

Although I have an 80+ WP with bis dps gear, it is mostly collecting dust, so no I do not really count myself as one of those players. Shocker, I know! I do, however, play and speak with those who are considerably better at the class than myself and all of your signatures (one of whom is mentioned in another post in the thread, but I don't name drop people myself because I don't think many of them want to be contacted about this subject). I also have been a balance designer on pvp games, much more successful than AoR/RoR ever was, so I can tell a misplaced suggestion from a mile away when combined with my existing game knowledge of RoR. The wild suggestions like 3x increased damage on soulfire (already one of the most numerically potent dots in the game, which with a 3x buff would deal the same damage as all of some other class' dots combined) and general misinfo around this class atm just entices me to comment.

Soulfire is also part of the ST/cleave rotation in 6v6 and SCs due being free extra spread damage of which will tick when timed properly with your ST burst adding extra damage, buffing it by that large of an amount would absolutely push it to broken status in ST/smallscale and likely in largescale too. So, in a way, that's why ST has to do with this topic and buffing aoe in general. Because people like you have absolutely no clue how the game works under the hood and throw out wild ideas that are nonsensical in an attempt to make something work when it's clearly designed to work otherwise.

[Anderlin]

Solution:

Get rid of shield spec, replace it with aoe line, done.

Or, make shield spec aoe.

[live4treasure]

brother

I think the last part of your post proves my point. But even if you count yourself as one of those players, which I think you are trying to imply you are, you still missed most of the details of the DPS WP that were being invoked in this thread. So yes, over the course of the conversation, it didn't seem like you were particularly qualified, nor really read too deeply into what's being discussed.

Yes, it's quite powerful in ST right now. So what? Unless you explain why that has anything to do with the current topic, then once again, it sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. The changes suggested in this thread don't in any way even remotely touch the ST abilities of WP.

Although I have an 80+ WP with bis dps gear, it is mostly collecting dust, so no I do not really count myself as one of those players. Shocker, I know! I do, however, play and speak with those who are considerably better at the class than myself and all of your signatures (one of whom is mentioned in another post in the thread, but I don't name drop people myself because I don't think many of them want to be contacted about this subject). I also have been a balance designer on pvp games, much more successful than AoR/RoR ever was, so I can tell a misplaced suggestion from a mile away when combined with my existing game knowledge of RoR. The wild suggestions like 3x increased damage on soulfire (already one of the most numerically potent dots in the game, which with a 3x buff would deal the same damage as all of some other class' dots combined) and general misinfo around this class atm just entices me to comment.

Soulfire is also part of the ST/cleave rotation in 6v6 and SCs due being free extra spread damage of which will tick when timed properly with your ST burst adding extra damage, buffing it by that large of an amount would absolutely push it to broken status in ST/smallscale and likely in largescale too. So, in a way, that's why ST has to do with this topic and buffing aoe in general. Because people like you have absolutely no clue how the game works under the hood and throw out wild ideas that are nonsensical in an attempt to make something work when it's clearly designed to work otherwise.

Buffing Soulfire damage by x3 really wasn't part of the OP, at the very least, so it seems more like now you're replying to a specific post, and assuming that everyone that approves of the topic of discussion in general is agreeing specifically with that exact suggestion. Is there anything else you specifically disagree with, or is it just the x3 soulfire suggestion?

I can't for the life of me find anything else that might be considered "outlandish", so once again, regardless of how good a developer you may have been in the past, it doesn't convince me that you've actually read anything in this thread beyond a cursory glance, and then came in to tell us about apples and oranges.

And also, if you have a lot of friends that play DPS WP in premade scenario groups that want to step up and say how this suggestion would ruin their specific way of playing the spec, they're welcome to do so. And if they don't want to, then maybe they don't actually care enough about AOE DPS WP and don't see anything in this thread that would specifically effect their builds. In which case, what's your point?