REDUCE SC weekend objectives amounts

[kleinbuchstabe]

Yes you can build the groups with them, usher them to see what is so great about the group play. Basically what you are doing now is crying on the forums, but on the opposite side of the people you are accusing of crying on the forums while actually doing nothing about it just like the people you are accusing of.

But lo and behold, you cannot be bothered to improve anything for the people and actually do not really give a rats ass. You "caring" about the group play is just a reason to cry about on forums just like the people that cannot be bothered to group.

wait wait... So you blame me, for not baby powdering the solo quers by building groups FOR THEM? For real man, thats next level... Trying to switch the people in position, who give advice for solution, by acting that we are the ones crying here, is maximum absurdity . We are not the ones with the problem you know. We got a guild, we got a group, we dont suffer in SC...

First of all: I barely have a full 6 man, therefore we invite random players all day via LFG channel. So you cant blame me for that. But guess what, we always have to LFM, cause most of the time there is no sign of LFG by players on their own. What does this tell you about the situation?
Further ist just not true that me, and everyone else who advice to build groups for SC, doesn give a "rats ass". If so, why should we waste our time here by giving that advice again and again and again?
We dont ask for all kinds of absurd solutions. What we do is giving a solution-oriented advice, wich is simple, usefull and proven, cause all of us were LFG one day, instead of que solo, and lfm, when we need to fill our group. And it worked for us. Much better than crying in Forum.

[kleinbuchstabe]

I just don't get how asking for more fair fights and a more consistent matchmaker is a bad things or a "victimization" thing.

Because the solution for the matchmaking problem is in their own hands, by builidng or joining a group instead of que solo. Thats not wichcraft, its very simple and easy to do. But instead of doing it on their own, people complaining and require adjustment by devs. Thats nothing else than victim mentality.
And all that from people who are not geting tired of telling everyone, how old and grown up they are, and because of that they got special needs

Whatever, im tired of this discussion. I said what i had to say. Now everybody will tell me how toxic this is, and that im the one crying, and that i should leave people alone and so on and on, until the thread is closed. And nothing will change. Pugs will keep complaining instead of join/build groups. And the blame will still be on the the premades...

[dirnsterer]

wait wait... So you blame me

What is this victim behaviour, not blaming you from anything. I am offering a solution. You are the one who was lamenting that there was no proper opponents or groups in scenarios to fight and it is boring to pug farm randoms. Here I am, telling you that as a community things need to change and how do things change in community, people start to change it by doing change in said communities. And if you do so care so much start to make actually active change to said things you are upset about, like crying on forums does not get you anywhere as much of "advice" and "help" you give on forums. Oh the irony. Like start actually organizing stuff, do events, do guilds focused on that stuff. Actually tangible things.

[kleinbuchstabe]

wait wait... So you blame me

Oh the irony. Like start actually organizing stuff, do events, do guilds focused on that stuff. Actually tangible things.

The irony is, that i allready said, how we DO invite pugs dayly to fill up our groups, and you simply ignore that to keep your toxicity up against me. I allready bring my part by inviting them.
You dont offer nothing! Instead, you tell me that i am responsible for other peoples problems, and that i should find a way to baby powdering them. Why do you tell this to me, instead of stimulating the initiative of the people who actually got the problem? Cant you see how weird that is? Why should i start to organize events for them, when all they have to do is to use the LFG chat to find other poeple? What is needed, is THEIR OWN initiative to build a group, not mine!

[dirnsterer]

wait wait... So you blame me

Oh the irony. Like start actually organizing stuff, do events, do guilds focused on that stuff. Actually tangible things.

The irony is, that i allready said, how we DO invite pugs dayly to fill up our groups, and you simply ignore that to keep your toxicity up against me. I allready bring my part by inviting them.
You dont offer nothing! Instead, you tell me that i am responsible for other peoples problems, and that i should find a way to baby powdering them. Why do you tell this to me, instead of stimulating the initiative of the people who actually got the problem? Cant you see how weird that is? Why should i start to organize events for them, when all they have to do is to use the LFG chat to find other poeple? What is needed, is THEIR OWN initiative to build a group, not mine!

Try to setup an event, on forums, in game. Get people to sign up. Advertise on chats. How about you and your buddies split up, each build their own groups and even better maybe on opposite sides, just get in complete randoms with acnhor in the group, advertise in chat. Start playing scenarios, maybe even setup a 6vs6 between the groups. Invite people into your guild, play with them frequently, have them start doing their own grouping without you. This is how it goes. Like as you said in previous post that this group based playerbase is real concerned about it, get them all in on it and you should at least get like 2-3 people a group that then form their own groups right? Like the options are endless for group based events in this game, like it is not that hard to think this up.

Edit: Oh yeah and why I was not offering anything was because I do not actually give a rats ass about people doing group play or solo play, but I do admit it. I do think it should be on the people who are actually concerned about it, as in that being you.

[Foofighter]

wait wait... So you blame me

Oh the irony. Like start actually organizing stuff, do events, do guilds focused on that stuff. Actually tangible things.

The irony is, that i allready said, how we DO invite pugs dayly to fill up our groups, and you simply ignore that to keep your toxicity up against me. I allready bring my part by inviting them.
You dont offer nothing! Instead, you tell me that i am responsible for other peoples problems, and that i should find a way to baby powdering them. Why do you tell this to me, instead of stimulating the initiative of the people who actually got the problem? Cant you see how weird that is? Why should i start to organize events for them, when all they have to do is to use the LFG chat to find other poeple? What is needed, is THEIR OWN initiative to build a group, not mine!

dude you're the only person taking this as personal attacks no one talked about you, legit nothing would change for you ingame from making the requirement lower, except having less noobs to farm which according to you is a good thing

[salazarn]

How dare people build a group, to join a group play content!
Really, all these complain threads about premades are an issue in SC are ridiculous. Scenario is a group-play content! How can you blame a group to play group play content? How can you call group-building an issue - in an MMO game??? Dont you realyize how absurd this is? Scenarios are not designed for pugs! On live server there havent even been a Pug SC type to que, this is an extra service here on RoR.

Everyone here is open for new (or old) designs, like removing barriers, bring back guards, make 3 people ranked SC, better matchmaking and so on and on, whatever... But you CANT call groups the issue, if groups are the reason why this content is even existing! And not the SC content alone, the whole game, because its an MMO! It is designed to build groups! Thats what MMOs are about! And of course a group is stronger than 6 pugs! Suprise! Thats not an issue, its obvious, and working as intended. The most premades are not even good! But of course they are still better than the escalating bunch of pugs who run around like chicken.

The real issue are players like YOU, cause you are not able to build a group in an MMO game! This is ridiculous! You are able to build groups for PvE Dungeons, arent you? The /5 LFG is full of requests for PvE. But building a group for SC is not possible? What is wrong with you? Stop crying and use the lfg chat for building SC groups and your SC life will change! This is all you have to do. Its not that complicated. EZ. But i know, crying rivers and do **** is even more easy. How much more suffering of solo que you need, until you realize, that all you have to do, is building a group by your own?

What do you want for SC, disable group que? Solo que only? You want to destroy the game with your incompentence and victim mentality? If you are not able, or unwilling to build groups in an MMO game, maybe you really should play something else.

I don't think people premake to have fun with friends or have a social experience. I think they do it so they can win easier.

Perhaps devs could restrict it so premades only play vs premades. But then it would be like 6v6 ranked, and if there's one thing premades don't want its playing against other premades that may actually beat them

[Rapzel]

I don't think people premake to have fun with friends or have a social experience. I think they do it so they can win easier.

Perhaps devs could restrict it so premades only play vs premades. But then it would be like 6v6 ranked, and if there's one thing premades don't want its playing against other premades that may actually beat them

Nope, could not be further from the truth. I legit do not care if I win or not, I only create groups to farm people who keep returning to these types of threads to whine about how premades ruin their game experience.

[JohnnyWayne]

If we casualize an old game, is it still the same game? Do we still like it? I don't think so. But we can improve areas that are lacking which is, in this case, primarily the match maker. And we can standardize the objectives. No more special snowflakes that are results of... doubt-able.... design decisions.

"if we casualize and old game" wtf does that even mean, these events didn't exists on live, what part of making the event something more comfortable to complete and a better a experience is "casualize" ?

If you read the post before, you would understand what that was referring to. Then you would also understand what that means. It was not directly referring to SCs specifically but generally designing the game for gamer dads. If you want to improve the situation for SCs I pointed out solutions for that, that do not impact aspects of the game that do not need fixing.

I just don't get how asking for more fair fights and a more consistent matchmaker is a bad things or a "victimization" thing.

Because the solution for the matchmaking problem is in their own hands, by builidng or joining a group instead of que solo. Thats not wichcraft, its very simple and easy to do. But instead of doing it on their own, people complaining and require adjustment by devs. Thats nothing else than victim mentality.

Your lack of understanding of the current match maker implementation is showing. What you do is fighting against better matches for everyone and cater for one side with more premades playing at that moment getting pugs fed to it. Even on the underdog side with less premades, a premade suffers, as they constantly get to fight double premade setups. Not to forget the glorious "heal only" add groups you get. That is clearly a problem, that the players have "in their own hands" .

[salazarn]

Nope, could not be further from the truth. I legit do not care if I win or not, I only create groups to farm people who keep returning to these types of threads to whine about how premades ruin their game experience.

Maybe you should try being farmed to get some reference