You Wot removal rant (Black Orc)

[Mordecaieth]

Right, I wasn’t gonna say anything—but enough’s enough.

You Wot!?, the cornerstone of the 2h Black Orc’s entire identity, is gone. Deleted. Tossed into the same dumpster they threw Knight of the Blazing Sun’s Vigilance into. Why? Because it actually gave us something we sorely lack: presence. Pressure. A reason to bring a 2h Black Orc instead of just saying “bring a Chosen” and moving on.

Let’s be real: Black Orcs don’t bring game-changing utility. Our debuffs are stat drains at best, minor annoyances that get overridden by any tank with a functioning aura or aura bot nearby. We’ve got no pulls, no pushbacks, no real mobility—what we had was You Wot!?. It was the “I’m Here”, the "Oh sh*t", button. It gave us just enough to brawl up front without melting: 15% damage, defense boost, armor, resistance, and hell yeah, we got big and scary-looking—because that’s what an orc should be. That’s what a 2h Black Orc SHOULD be.

And now? We get Chop Fasta. A positional backstab crit-enabler that gives 50% auto attack speed. Right. That sounds like a perfect fit for the most immobile, biggest, slowest turning radius class in the game. A class with no tools to reliably stick to the back of anyone without divine intervention or enemy trolling. Chop Fasta might be decent on paper, but in practice it’s a weird PvE-leaning bandaid slapped on a PvP gap that wasn’t asking for faster hits—it was asking for durability, relevance, and some flavor.

You Wot could’ve been fine with a nerf. Drop the armor values. Strip out the resist boost. Hell, make it 2h-only so Sword and Board doesn’t get a freebie. But no—they just delete it. Like it never mattered. Like Black Orc mains haven’t been out here grinding scenarios, holding lines, and finding joy in a toolkit that was more style than meta.

Instead of giving us a reason to stand out, they blended us into a sea of generic critspam and tooltip bloat.

So yeah, I miss You Wot. Not because it was broken. Not because it made us gods. But because it gave us a damn identity. And now we’re just another flavor of “please buff my auto attacks.”

https://prnt.sc/lt5NKs3tOtK0 I'm not a top 25 player, but I've played this class for more than 1600 hours if anyone doubted my credibility to speak on this matter.

[Ruin]

Linecraca! - this 1 takctic makes BO one of the BEST tank in any party.

But i have to say i also miss the utility provided by You Wot!.

[Sinisterror]

Most blorcs would definetely pick SnB Tree Hit Combo or You Wot?! instead of Linecracka...
Take away grp Cooldown reduction from Waaagh?! that required tactic to have that cd reduction.

Then they give it to BG... Class who has THE BEST punt in the game + it only requires 2H to halve the Punts cooldown : D And quess what? Does BG need tactic to have grp CD reducer?

OFC NOT. Someone important plays BG i quess and no one important is playing Blorc it seems...

[Ruin]

Most blorcs would definetely pick SnB Tree Hit Combo or You Wot?! instead of Linecracka...
Take away grp Cooldown reduction from Waaagh?! that required tactic to have that cd reduction.

Then they give it to BG... Class who has THE BEST punt in the game + it only requires 2H to halve the Punts cooldown : D And quess what? Does BG need tactic to have grp CD reducer?

OFC NOT. Someone important plays BG i quess and no one important is playing Blorc it seems...

to be honest i think the reason for this move was more trival, IHMO Devs didin't wanted to give CD reducer to SM counterpart, just to disable direct copping of skills

[Sinisterror]

Most blorcs would definetely pick SnB Tree Hit Combo or You Wot?! instead of Linecracka...
Take away grp Cooldown reduction from Waaagh?! that required tactic to have that cd reduction.

Then they give it to BG... Class who has THE BEST punt in the game + it only requires 2H to halve the Punts cooldown : D And quess what? Does BG need tactic to have grp CD reducer?

OFC NOT. Someone important plays BG i quess and no one important is playing Blorc it seems...

to be honest i think the reason for this move was more trival, IHMO Devs didin't wanted to give CD reducer to SM counterpart, just to disable direct copping of skills

You might be right but BG has always been buffed not nerfed. Only tank that doesnt need tactic to reduce punts cooldown just use 2h and it is automatically halved. Punt tactics used to be for 2h and SnB didnt matter and should again be like that. Bg was given 2h KD while he has 5s KD with shield : D Also BG is Dark elf Swordmaster is High elf so even if blorc/sm are the "mirrors" this still doesnt make any sense.

BG was probably the best tank in the game even before they got the cd reducer : D Just return the heal skill to both ib/bg and if destro side has to have grp cd reduction skill, give it to Black Orc. Change Chop Fasta cooldown to 20s and Increase Cooldowns of target by 5s for 10s and reducing cooldowns of you and defensive target by 4s for 8s.

Or give it to choppa's again while they keep furious stompin. Other possibilty is just give it to Waaagh?! Skill 30s cooldown remove 25% aa dmg increase but no tactic needed.

[Sever1n]

Also dont understand that spiritual jorney of chop fasta trough chopas and bg. It belongs to borks.

About u wot, snb bork have most broken def channel in game for 50% block. I believe top prot score i saw in city was borks. U just want u wot for 2h to dominate people in 1v1, aren't u?

[Sinisterror]

Ah Seve the Great Understander. Also Grp CD reducer was originally Choppa's ability for like 11-13 years before it was Black orc's ability. People who dont play 1vx always think there is some great conspiracy to make something JUST FOR SOLO and even if they dont play that way they still want to control it.

[Sever1n]

Im looking on it just as mirror to sm/am. SM boost lion/sw/am with ww. So in my GREAT understanding feels rigth for ork to buff those shams. And it provided stable utility spot for borks in wb. It feels like original design of game was in favor of classes of one race to buff each other mechanics, like ib gives slay everything he needs.

Its always such a pleasure to meet mindreader who knows perfectly what what peole think and what they do or dont.

[Ysaran]

Just give back Three Hit Combo for SnB. It was class definig. 50% of BO damage is tied to THC, they gutted the class with that change.

[Mordecaieth]

Also dont understand that spiritual jorney of chop fasta trough chopas and bg. It belongs to borks.

About u wot, snb bork have most broken def channel in game for 50% block. I believe top prot score i saw in city was borks. U just want u wot for 2h to dominate people in 1v1, aren't u?

Brother, you play every single iteration of high elf which has been no secret busted for the last half of a decade. AMs always been in great spot, WL healthily overpowered, sword master getting mobility, insane defenses with WoDs, not surprised you also have a witch hunter in here. Sorry if it comes across as a personal attack, but your class choices are a stark indicator as well as your opinion on a class you've never played.

Respectfully disagree m8.