[Suggestion] Make T1/T2/T3 'lair boss run' quests

[Dresden]

This is not a request/demand or a complaint, please feel free to slap this idea down immediately, i'm not very precious about it.

I've been studying (with my usual unreasonably intense level of obsession about lair bosses) the lair boss drops recently and i realised that with only a few (strictly as little as possible) modifications all the lair bosses and their drops could be organised into quest lines and gear sets, i had finished studying all the T1 & T2 & T3 lair bosses stuff but i hit a wall with data gathering at the T4 lair bosses because those fine folks at warhammerfantasy.wikia.com are currently gutting/moving the Hammerwiki Lair Boss info but fortunately, in the context of this analysis, there is a clear line between non T4 & T4 lair bosses so here is just the T1 & T2 & T3 lair bosses stuff.

I intend to make a suggestion topic similar to this one (for T4 lair bosses) once i acquire all the T4 info i need.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13904&start=150#p236150 , viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21356 ,


suggestion: Create four new quests to aid in getting complete lair boss gear sets and helping with making groups for lair boss runs.

note: In hindsight i have realised that the above suggestion lacks viability due to the fact that some lair bosses drop a variety of items and that would necessitate retaking a quest purely to obtain desired items not received in previous lair boss runs also one might not even receive an item from any particular lair boss item drop, please ignore the above suggestion.


abbreviations: e/c - empire/chaos, d/g - dwarf/greenskin, h/d - high elf/dark elf, C - chapter,

All the stuff marked in yellow/red is the stuff that would need modifying, see the modification suggestions at the bottom of the post.

All 'known' T1/T2/T3 RoR Lair Bosses are represented below in the details of the suggested four quests.


Quest 1: T1 RvR: low rank gear: Helm, Weapon/Offhand, Weapon/Offhand,

An introductory T1 quest to familiarise people with making groups to attack lair bosses, a 'complete a list of tasks' quest.

T1 RvR e/c - Weapon/Offhand r11 - Kamilla the Decayed [Traitor's Rest] (14)
T1 RvR d/g - Helm r10 - Renatta Betz [Bandit Queen] (15)
T1 RvR h/d - Weapon/Offhand r9 - Lady Alisha (15)


Quest 2: T1/T2/T3 PvE: rank 36 gear: Helm [01], Shoulders, Back, Body, Gloves, Boots, Weapon/Offhand, (no Belt)

A PvE 'lair boss run' quest to get all the lower tiers rank 36 gear. (the Lair Bosses are listed in suggested questline order)

T1 C1/C2 (order area) h/d - Boots r36 - Gorthlak (40) [01]
T1 C4 (destro area) h/d - Body r36 - Kelbrax (40)
T1 C4 (order area) d/g - Weapon/Offhand r36 - Nerx Gutslime (40)
T2 C5 (destro area) d/g - Gloves r36 - Karerg the Reaver (39)
T2 C9 (order area) d/g - Boots r36 - Old Oozeback (40) [01]
T3 C12 (order area) h/d - Shoulders r36 - Elrin Helfried (40)
T3 C14 (destro area) d/g - Back r36 - Ravack (40)


Quest 3: T1/T2/T3 PvE: rank 39 gear: Helm, Shoulders [05], Back [04], Body, Gloves [02], Boots, Weapon/Offhand [03], (no Belt)

A PvE 'lair boss run' quest to get all the lower tiers rank 39 gear. (the Lair Bosses are listed in suggested questline order)

T1 C1/C2 (destro area) e/c - Body r39 - Silveroak (41)
T1 C4 (destro area) e/c - Boots r39 - Morra (40)
T2 C9 (order area) e/c - Gloves r39 - Feculesh the Defiler (40) [02]
T2 C9 (destro area) e/c - Helm r39 - Metoh (39)
T2 C9 (order area) h/d - Weapon/Offhand r39 - Stinkfang the Vomitous (40) [03]
T3 C14 (order area) h/d - Body r?? - Lady Grimgyre (40) [04]
T3 C14 (order area) e/c - Shoulders r?? - Bleakwing Matriarch (39) [05]


Quest 4: T3 RvR: rank 31 gear: Helm, Belt [06],

A finalising T3 quest to give lair boss runners a Belt to complete their r36/r39 gear sets, a 'complete a list of tasks' quest.

T3 RvR d/g - Helm r31 - Ulnac the Shambler (32)
T3 RvR d/g - Belt r31 - Krela Darkshroud (31)


modification suggestions: See below.

[01]: Either Boots r36 (Gorthlak) or Boots r36 (Old Oozeback) would need to be changed to Helm r36 gear. [Important]

[02]: Feculesh the Defiler is the only T1/T2/T3 lair boss with a complex access process, is that process actually necessary?

[03]: Destro chars have problems accessing Stinkfang the Vomitous > viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13904&start=150#p234749

[04]: Body r?? (Lady Grimgyre) would need to be changed to Back r39 gear. [Important]

[05]: Shoulders r?? (Bleakwing Matriarch) would need to be r39 gear but still Shoulders gear. [Important]

[06]: See below.

The 4th quest would give an r31 Belt to complete the r36 gear set or the r39 gear set BUT you could take advantage of the fact that The Shadowlands and High Pass are the only T1/T2/T3 zones that don't have lair bosses in them:

The Shadowlands - T2 C5/C6/C7 (destro area) h/d - Belt r36 - Lair Boss (39/40/41)
You could place it after Nerx Gutslime in the quest list at The Shadowlands C5.
You could place it after Karerg the Reaver in the quest list at The Shadowlands C5/C6/C7.
> The former Caledor (giant lizard) lair boss 'Deathscale' would be a narratively perfect lair boss for The Shadowlands.

High Pass - T3 C14 (destro area) e/c - Belt r39 - Lair Boss (39/40/41)
You could place it after Lady Grimgyre in the quest list at High Pass C14.
You could place it after Bleakwing Matriarch in the quest list at High Pass C14.
> How about a large Gorger? or a large Rhinox? or a large Sabretusk? maybe a Khornate mob type given the High Pass narrative?


edit: I haven't researched T1/T2/T3 lair boss drops enough to know if these proposed gear sets are coherent from a stats point of view.

[Darosh]

Spoiler:

This is not a request/demand or a complaint, please feel free to slap this idea down immediately, i'm not very precious about it.

I've been studying (with my usual unreasonably intense level of obsession about lair bosses) the lair boss drops recently and i realised that with only a few (strictly as little as possible) modifications all the lair bosses and their drops could be organised into quest lines and gear sets, i had finished studying all the T1 & T2 & T3 lair bosses stuff but i hit a wall with data gathering at the T4 lair bosses because those fine folks at warhammerfantasy.wikia.com are currently gutting/moving the Hammerwiki Lair Boss info but fortunately, in the context of this analysis, there is a clear line between non T4 & T4 lair bosses so here is just the T1 & T2 & T3 lair bosses stuff.

I intend to make a suggestion topic similar to this one (for T4 lair bosses) once i acquire all the T4 info i need.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13904&start=150#p236150 , viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21356 ,


suggestion: Create four new quests to aid in getting complete lair boss gear sets and helping with making groups for lair boss runs.


abbreviations: e/c - empire/chaos, d/g - dwarf/greenskin, h/d - high elf/dark elf, C - chapter,

All the stuff marked in yellow/red is the stuff that would need modifying, see the modification suggestions at the bottom of the post.

All 'known' T1/T2/T3 RoR Lair Bosses are represented below in the details of the suggested four quests.


Quest 1: T1 RvR: low rank gear: Helm, Weapon/Offhand, Weapon/Offhand,

An introductory T1 quest to familiarise people with making groups to attack lair bosses, a 'complete a list of tasks' quest.

T1 RvR e/c - Weapon/Offhand r11 - Kamilla the Decayed [Traitor's Rest] (14)
T1 RvR d/g - Helm r10 - Renatta Betz [Bandit Queen] (15)
T1 RvR h/d - Weapon/Offhand r9 - Lady Alisha (15)


Quest 2: T1/T2/T3 PvE: rank 36 gear: Helm [01], Shoulders, Back, Body, Gloves, Boots, Weapon/Offhand, (no Belt)

A PvE 'lair boss run' quest to get all the lower tiers rank 36 gear. (the Lair Bosses are listed in suggested questline order)

T1 C1/C2 (order area) h/d - Boots r36 - Gorthlak (40) [01]
T1 C4 (destro area) h/d - Body r36 - Kelbrax (40)
T1 C4 (order area) d/g - Weapon/Offhand r36 - Nerx Gutslime (40)
T2 C5 (destro area) d/g - Gloves r36 - Karerg the Reaver (39)
T2 C9 (order area) d/g - Boots r36 - Old Oozeback (40) [01]
T3 C12 (order area) h/d - Shoulders r36 - Elrin Helfried (40)
T3 C14 (destro area) d/g - Back r36 - Ravack (40)


Quest 3: T1/T2/T3 PvE: rank 39 gear: Helm, Shoulders [05], Back [04], Body, Gloves [02], Boots, Weapon/Offhand [03], (no Belt)

A PvE 'lair boss run' quest to get all the lower tiers rank 39 gear. (the Lair Bosses are listed in suggested questline order)

T1 C1/C2 (destro area) e/c - Body r39 - Silveroak (41)
T1 C4 (destro area) e/c - Boots r39 - Morra (40)
T2 C9 (order area) e/c - Gloves r39 - Feculesh the Defiler (40) [02]
T2 C9 (destro area) e/c - Helm r39 - Metoh (39)
T2 C9 (order area) h/d - Weapon/Offhand r39 - Stinkfang the Vomitous (40) [03]
T3 C14 (order area) h/d - Body r?? - Lady Grimgyre (40) [04]
T3 C14 (order area) e/c - Shoulders r?? - Bleakwing Matriarch (39) [05]


Quest 4: T3 RvR: rank 31 gear: Helm, Belt [06],

A finalising T3 quest to give lair boss runners a Belt to complete their r36/r39 gear sets, a 'complete a list of tasks' quest.

T3 RvR d/g - Helm r31 - Ulnac the Shambler (32)
T3 RvR d/g - Belt r31 - Krela Darkshroud (31)


modification suggestions: See below.

[01]: Either Boots r36 (Gorthlak) or Boots r36 (Old Oozeback) would need to be changed to Helm r36 gear. [Important]

[02]: Feculesh the Defiler is the only T1/T2/T3 lair boss with a complex access process, is that process actually necessary?

[03]: Destro chars have problems accessing Stinkfang the Vomitous > viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13904&start=150#p234749

[04]: Body r?? (Lady Grimgyre) would need to be changed to Back r39 gear. [Important]

[05]: Shoulders r?? (Bleakwing Matriarch) would need to be r39 gear but still Shoulders gear. [Important]

[06]: See below.

The 4th quest would give an r31 Belt to complete the r36 gear set or the r39 gear set BUT you could take advantage of the fact that The Shadowlands and High Pass are the only T1/T2/T3 zones that don't have lair bosses in them:

The Shadowlands - T2 C5/C6/C7 (destro area) h/d - Belt r36 - Lair Boss (39/40/41)
You could place it after Nerx Gutslime in the quest list at The Shadowlands C5.
You could place it after Karerg the Reaver in the quest list at The Shadowlands C5/C6/C7.
> The former Caledor (giant lizard) lair boss 'Deathscale' would be a narratively perfect lair boss for The Shadowlands.

High Pass - T3 C14 (destro area) e/c - Belt r39 - Lair Boss (39/40/41)
You could place it after Lady Grimgyre in the quest list at High Pass C14.
You could place it after Bleakwing Matriarch in the quest list at High Pass C14.
> How about a large Gorger? or a large Rhinox? or a large Sabretusk? maybe a Khornate mob type given the High Pass narrative?

Sounds like a good plan, imo.

It would incentivise grouping in general (which I have hardon for <3) and help the derps in the lower tiers to get some additional xp whilst not messing with their perception all too much.

Narratives and shinies are good ways to push people into the right direction - this suggestion got both, and a good plan to (re)utilize stuff that is already in place.

10/10 from my me.

[TenTonHammer]

I also like this suggestion, ive noticed a general disintres in T1-3 lair items these days, simply because the appearance items are obtainable elsewhere

[Dresden]

I also like this suggestion, ive noticed a general disintres in T1-3 lair items these days, simply because the appearance items are obtainable elsewhere

That is true and also some lair bosses like Morra or Old Oozeback are almost never done.

[Hargrim]

fine folks at warhammerfantasy.wikia.com are currently gutting/moving the Hammerwiki Lair Boss info

Use this: https://web.archive.org/web/20150813011 ... nline_Wiki

[Dresden]

fine folks at warhammerfantasy.wikia.com are currently gutting/moving the Hammerwiki Lair Boss info

Use this: https://web.archive.org/web/20150813011 ... nline_Wiki

Excellent, relevant T4 info now acquired.

Tacit approval! me likee!

[Dresden]

I will not be making the T4 sequel to this topic, i am abandoning my current progress on the T4 sequel to this topic.

It really has JUST NOW dawned on me how supremely futile my efforts to help the RoR staff actually are.

[Collateral]

May I ask, why do you need the information for the lairs that don't work, like Frostshard Prison etc? My guess would be that the devs will simply make new gear for all those lairs when the time comes, so why even bother writing all the info from live. Once they are implemented I'm sure people will share their drops and how to beat them. But if you really need the info, there is a vid that might help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0_kZ-2zUoQ

It's not that I don't appreciate your work don't get me wrong, I really do. You helped me a lot with the lair info to get my shinny gear

[Dresden]

May I ask, why do you need the information for the lairs that don't work, like Frostshard Prison etc? My guess would be that the devs will simply make new gear for all those lairs when the time comes, so why even bother writing all the info from live. Once they are implemented I'm sure people will share their drops and how to beat them. But if you really need the info, there is a vid that might help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0_kZ-2zUoQ

It's not that I don't appreciate your work don't get me wrong, I really do. You helped me a lot with the lair info to get my shinny gear

I write the pinned lairs topics stuff.

I have a raging verified boner for lairs info.

That is all.

But if you really need the info, there is a vid that might help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0_kZ-2zUoQ

Oh please, look at who you are talking to, i found that one over a year ago, thank you anyway.

[Dresden]

I will not be making the T4 sequel to this topic, i am abandoning my current progress on the T4 sequel to this topic.

It really has JUST NOW dawned on me how supremely futile my efforts to help the RoR staff actually are.

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