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archmage is too overpowered
Order is starting to stack them. running a premade with 5 in it and I cant heal anyone at all as a dok rr50. now obviously im pugging so I know im going to lose but I normally heal . the fact that I cant heal thru 3 LITERAL seconds of an archmage attacking me lets me know aside from order stacking them that they are overpowered and getting out of hand. any healer class that has a dps spec should never be able to have that much burst and take down ANYTHING it wants . the only things dps healer spec's should be able to solo is tanks because they can out last them with heals. any other dedicated dps class should be able to burst them down faster then they can heal and wont need to out last them. that being said they need a SERIOUS DAMAGE NERF. I want a legit answer from you "devs" if you don't mind taking the time out of your day to explain to the wrest of the free community as to why this is getting too overlooked?... and when is the WL nerf coming as well please. =)
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Re: archmage is too overpowered
So, to summarise:
1) You can't outheal 5 DPS AMs as a solo DOK heal...what's the issue with that?
2) You can't survive against a single DPS AM, despite the fact that you have 100% uptime on your detaunt, and can cleanse every single DoT they put on you...you got outplayed, my dude.
Looking inwards is the first step, mate: learn how to use your detaunt, realise that you can cleanse their DoTs every 5-seconds (and with your OP M2), don't expect to survive 1v5 (because you should lose: a DPS AM should be treated as a real DPS), queue up with a premade yourself = profit.
1) You can't outheal 5 DPS AMs as a solo DOK heal...what's the issue with that?
2) You can't survive against a single DPS AM, despite the fact that you have 100% uptime on your detaunt, and can cleanse every single DoT they put on you...you got outplayed, my dude.
Looking inwards is the first step, mate: learn how to use your detaunt, realise that you can cleanse their DoTs every 5-seconds (and with your OP M2), don't expect to survive 1v5 (because you should lose: a DPS AM should be treated as a real DPS), queue up with a premade yourself = profit.
Re: archmage is too overpowered
Try using spirit resist tactic as well if it’s that big an issue.
I think AMs are a tad strong but I think that strength comes from being able to debuff the same damage type they do. Storm of chronos and all their dots doing spirit damage and the majority of people who don’t run winds impervious having around 300 resist across all 3 (corporeal, spirit, elemental) is also a problem.
I think on my Bg if I wear full oppressor and full genesis I get 350 roughly on each resist.
So obviously we take winds impervious and maybe spirit resist tactic to retaliate but there isn’t really any options besides this. Sets give little to no resists to magic damage I personally think is a little silly. But there are options to get your resists soft capped and cleansing does help immensely. I only ever use M1 cleanse in my BG specially because of engi and AM. I know you’re not a Bg ok, but peter already covered what you can do with Dok (instant cleanse, spirit resist tactic, detaunt) slot some spirit resist tali’s into your armor to help if you still not find it enough.
Not only storm if chronos will debuff spirit resist but mistress of the marsh I think it’s called (aoe puddle slow) does some resist damage as well. But they don’t stack to my knowledge.
SM used to be pretty OP because it could double spirit resist debuff. Oof. Also if you think it’s specific to AM you’re mistaken. Shamans are crazy too. But elemental damage doesn’t come around as often in Destro as spirit damage comes up in order.
To my knowledge:
Elemental Destro - magus, shammy, SH arrow. Lol
Spirit order - WL, SM, AM, possibly SW? You elves and your spirit damage smh.
I might have missed a few this is kinda going from memory, so forgive me if I’m not 100% right.
Anyway AM synergizes a bit better than shammy does so it performs a tad better. But shammy performs pretty well. I don’t really have any complaints with AMs after figuring out shaman is just as disgusting. I think the underlying issue is low resists across the board. But through winds impervious, as stated, you can rectify this problem. Just wish their was more options I guess.
I think AMs are a tad strong but I think that strength comes from being able to debuff the same damage type they do. Storm of chronos and all their dots doing spirit damage and the majority of people who don’t run winds impervious having around 300 resist across all 3 (corporeal, spirit, elemental) is also a problem.
I think on my Bg if I wear full oppressor and full genesis I get 350 roughly on each resist.
So obviously we take winds impervious and maybe spirit resist tactic to retaliate but there isn’t really any options besides this. Sets give little to no resists to magic damage I personally think is a little silly. But there are options to get your resists soft capped and cleansing does help immensely. I only ever use M1 cleanse in my BG specially because of engi and AM. I know you’re not a Bg ok, but peter already covered what you can do with Dok (instant cleanse, spirit resist tactic, detaunt) slot some spirit resist tali’s into your armor to help if you still not find it enough.
Not only storm if chronos will debuff spirit resist but mistress of the marsh I think it’s called (aoe puddle slow) does some resist damage as well. But they don’t stack to my knowledge.
SM used to be pretty OP because it could double spirit resist debuff. Oof. Also if you think it’s specific to AM you’re mistaken. Shamans are crazy too. But elemental damage doesn’t come around as often in Destro as spirit damage comes up in order.
To my knowledge:
Elemental Destro - magus, shammy, SH arrow. Lol
Spirit order - WL, SM, AM, possibly SW? You elves and your spirit damage smh.
I might have missed a few this is kinda going from memory, so forgive me if I’m not 100% right.
Anyway AM synergizes a bit better than shammy does so it performs a tad better. But shammy performs pretty well. I don’t really have any complaints with AMs after figuring out shaman is just as disgusting. I think the underlying issue is low resists across the board. But through winds impervious, as stated, you can rectify this problem. Just wish their was more options I guess.
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Miatress of the march debuff initiative
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Ah then shaman does resist my bad
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Re: archmage is too overpowered
hmm
1) so lemme get this straight youre assuming im not in a 1v1 situation with a AM in a scenario.
2) you assume that if im not 1v1 the other 4 will be detaunted as well.
3) youre usuing winds impervious as a basis on resistance as an excuse for me to try to counter an OVERPOWERED class and usuing your TANK as an example. and that's just what ive read so far. your long responses are neither beneficial or relevant to the FACT that AM are overpowered and the FACT that order starting to STACK them is a problem. well I do have premade's. we just get the LUXURY of being favored. nor do I chose to xrealm to order every time destro loses. which leads me to my next SUGGESTION. please make a 20 min or some sort of lock out when logging out of a faction for getting into another faction to prevent scrubs who only like to win from grieving on other players. I mean come on when WAR came out the dev team was all about making it as balanced as possible since beta. aside from that unless you have numerical comparison's of damage from one ability to the other when comparing AM and Sham please don't post the typical "theyre not OP you just suck" troll responses =) good day "mate" .
1) so lemme get this straight youre assuming im not in a 1v1 situation with a AM in a scenario.
2) you assume that if im not 1v1 the other 4 will be detaunted as well.
3) youre usuing winds impervious as a basis on resistance as an excuse for me to try to counter an OVERPOWERED class and usuing your TANK as an example. and that's just what ive read so far. your long responses are neither beneficial or relevant to the FACT that AM are overpowered and the FACT that order starting to STACK them is a problem. well I do have premade's. we just get the LUXURY of being favored. nor do I chose to xrealm to order every time destro loses. which leads me to my next SUGGESTION. please make a 20 min or some sort of lock out when logging out of a faction for getting into another faction to prevent scrubs who only like to win from grieving on other players. I mean come on when WAR came out the dev team was all about making it as balanced as possible since beta. aside from that unless you have numerical comparison's of damage from one ability to the other when comparing AM and Sham please don't post the typical "theyre not OP you just suck" troll responses =) good day "mate" .
Re: archmage is too overpowered
It is funny to read comments how little resists some characters have and that stacking resist talismans might help, when not even resist buffs are added to the calculation. When it is all about 1vs1, then you might use a resist potion but this is a team focused game and you have to rely on your teammates covering your weaknesses.
5 AM assisting are as deadly as any other 5 DD classes doing the same.
You get outnumbered, having no grp buffs and die. Nothing new here.
Shaman skills hit harder than AM ones, they are still balanced but no doubt, they are a great pug farming class.
I have a FACT for you, "theyre not OP you just suck". Good day!
5 AM assisting are as deadly as any other 5 DD classes doing the same.
You get outnumbered, having no grp buffs and die. Nothing new here.
Shaman skills hit harder than AM ones, they are still balanced but no doubt, they are a great pug farming class.
I have a FACT for you, "theyre not OP you just suck". Good day!
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dunno if you're replying to me or peter, but I feel like I had some pretty good constructive response to "AM's are overpowered".halohopper715 wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:07 am hmm
1) so lemme get this straight youre assuming im not in a 1v1 situation with a AM in a scenario.
2) you assume that if im not 1v1 the other 4 will be detaunted as well.
3) youre usuing winds impervious as a basis on resistance as an excuse for me to try to counter an OVERPOWERED class and usuing your TANK as an example. and that's just what ive read so far. your long responses are neither beneficial or relevant to the FACT that AM are overpowered and the FACT that order starting to STACK them is a problem. well I do have premade's. we just get the LUXURY of being favored. nor do I chose to xrealm to order every time destro loses. which leads me to my next SUGGESTION. please make a 20 min or some sort of lock out when logging out of a faction for getting into another faction to prevent scrubs who only like to win from grieving on other players. I mean come on when WAR came out the dev team was all about making it as balanced as possible since beta. aside from that unless you have numerical comparison's of damage from one ability to the other when comparing AM and Sham please don't post the typical "theyre not OP you just suck" troll responses =) good day "mate" .
In short, my response was to help with dealing with their power:
Slot spirit resist tactic
use spirit resist talis
winds impervious helps
aoe detaunt tactic helps (or just use of a detaunt in general)
Clense helps.
If your qualms come from 1 class specifically why not do your best to counter it? I've started try to build more armor and toughness to stop WL's, its not working as well but I don't die instantly. But in regards to what you said Doks have it rough against any Ranged attacker since they need to be Melee to generate Soul Esssence, unless cup.
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Re: archmage is too overpowered
When you move an accusation you should specify you gear, you build, renown ability and your potions. without such information you post is just a cringy blathering nonsense since to be RR50 doesnt exclude that you may be going around wearing only your panties. in addiction: 1v5?! you are really complaining about 1vs5!?
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Re: archmage is too overpowered
Another day another “nerf order “ complaint by destro.
Pardon my french but must be a Taylor Lautner from “Ridiculous 6” to be complaining about AM when destro have the OP, DoT and infinite run master DPS shammy. Grow up.
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Pardon my french but must be a Taylor Lautner from “Ridiculous 6” to be complaining about AM when destro have the OP, DoT and infinite run master DPS shammy. Grow up.
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