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Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Post#81 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:26 pm

emiliorv wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:02 pm
How long its the channel of FE using mechanic at max??
If you have to ask this why are you trolling an AM thread?

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Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Post#82 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:04 pm

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Pretty much all AoE spells are 80 ft, healing part is practically infinite. If something is NOT the problem of AM, it would be the power of EoV.
That's true, but AMs mechanic forces you to use it in order to play the class at its best. So, supposedly long range class + stupid mechanic + low distance on a must have damaging/healing ability = pooper

I just got an idea, If you are healing spec it would be nice to be able to pick a tactic that increases the distance and lowers the damage done by EoV
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Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Post#83 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:06 pm

Shaman and Archmage healers need some buffs.
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Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Post#84 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:17 am

adapter wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:06 pm
Shaman and Archmage healers need some buffs.
AM is in a worse position than shamans. Shamans have better ways to survive and the destro melees have more tools and are in general stronger, making the AM even more squishy. On top of that it is a tall and white shiny mage. Every destro is targetting AMs first, not only because they are a healer but because they are going down fast and have not much to escape or defend them.

I think something like "Walk between Worlds" where the AM becomes immune to attacks for 10 seconds with some kind of draw back would fit nicely for an elf and would block the melee assist train for that time. To vanish for a few seconds in order to escape that train would be also an option (like assas have). I mean, they gave WEs a pounce and SHs a free baseline speed boost... why not give AM a vanish?

But yeah, the bad class mechanic effects shamans as well. When you are being jumped by someone you always have to fight that mechanic as well...

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Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Post#85 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:04 am

nice idea walking bwetween worlds make similar to bright wizard shield of aqshy , 50% less ppl will interupt your heals. +speed if that possible. about cast on move its really op, but all am mechaniks are ..... noone will wait when u finish your stuff to ask mei i attack u now?

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Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Post#86 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:31 pm

normanis wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:13 pm
Ysaran wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:46 pm
normanis wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:39 pm

no its no op
look shaman has ''instant '' 3 heals do sumfin usefull, path of mork ( cast on move same as am) and ey quit bleedin
while am has 1 channel abilitie where u need stay and not move its tauntable , kockable or anyather way interuptable res are heal over time and heal on move. noone in this game will wait till u finish cast spells. this is not step by step game. funnel essence its called its good for pve byt pvp not (offc if noone touch u than its good) while shaman can spam heals and be on run
ok 15 sec is op byt 20sec its not because u have bonus only for 10sec. and rest 10 sec still can get killed
Shaman rely on HoT for ST healing, but his HoTs can be shattered. From an AP/heal perspective, even one tick of FE is better than any Shaman's HoT
kobs triple shatered is removed from game .
its prety ridiculos that all game balance is around 180 armor talismans to counter destro. as am u need tons of money to be good to survuve 2 witches while shammy just add cheap tougnes spam self toughness buff and he become small tank. + oofc speed tact and rest surviving.
p.s if shaman was so bad they where rare byt they are full around running. its mean they has something more than am have. also shaman can feel safier than am because order biased rdps stile also reduzed range of punce. what am can counter to destros tons of armor talismans (180) and die from magic attacks. am magic resistence is weaker than kobs . he need stay in 1 place to start his ''best'' channel heal to keep person x alive. while shammie can spam tough increase to anyone + hot till he drop out of ap.
p.s.s so in am forum thread i am touching order melle lacking. if order has melle proper than very possible there where no discusions why am sucks. just my thoughts
Shaman has Chop Fasta and WAAAAAAGH! by his said, ppl started playing Shaman because they want see lots of green numbers. Compared 1 to 1, AM has nothing less than Shaman.
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Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Post#87 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:41 pm

balvor877 wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:41 pm
normanis wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:17 pm
funnel essence has cd 13sec if ror builder is corect vs shammie no cd tougnes spaming ( 1 tount am or distrupt him and next 13 sec he dont have ''best ''heal)
Just saw that shammies have no FE but another hot with 150 toughnes which is spammable without cooldown...

wow, just wow... who would have tought that destro has again the better option...

So AMs have to stand still for 3 s and can be interrupted and have a 13 s cooldown while they get another hot on the move with additional buff and its spammable...

WE only have to wait for the FE and interrupt it. Shamans can keep on kiting the WH with 150 toughnes. Guess which is better?
The fact that you had to watch on career builder (and the fact that yhat you think that the tough bonus is 150 and not 240, like it is) proves that you know nothing about Shamans and AMs. If you want to complain go somewhere else plz.
FE is much better tha Do Sumfin Useful. FE can heal up to 1500 hp with a tick (with Desperation/magical infusion+crit, actually you can go a lot above 1500 with RP bonus or using caree mechanics), while DSU heal 2000 hp in 10s. Also DSU can be shattered and cost 45AP, while the first tick of FE always tick (even while moving) and cost only 20AP.
When you have to focus heal ppl, you want FE not DSU, because DSU tick after 3 seconds and it ticks for 400 hp, while FE actually saves life.
If you don't belive me, belive Cimba. He proved how much FE is good in his video
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Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Post#88 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:54 pm

so basicly if noone touch am he channel his best heal every 13 sec. if evryone focus him than he become worst healer ingame. ( u cant heal if u are dead)
so the problem, funnel essence is too good need nerf it, maby destro will skip am and pick rp or wp. and we all continue discuss why rp/wp is bed healers.
eh its like driving car from 1 tree to another.

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Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Post#89 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:57 pm

normanis wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:54 pm
so basicly if noone touch am he channel his best heal every 13 sec. if evryone focus him than he become worst healer ingame. ( u cant heal if u are dead)
so the problem, funnel essence is too good need nerf it, maby destro will skip am and pick rp or wp. and we all continue discuss why rp/wp is bed healers.
eh its like driving car from 1 tree to another.

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Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Post#90 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:15 pm

normanis wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:54 pm
so basicly if noone touch am he channel his best heal every 13 sec. if evryone focus him than he become worst healer ingame. ( u cant heal if u are dead)
so the problem, funnel essence is too good need nerf it, maby destro will skip am and pick rp or wp. and we all continue discuss why rp/wp is bed healers.
eh its like driving car from 1 tree to another.
wtf are you saying? Every healer can't keep healing while focused. maybe only WP/DoK, if properly geared. but WP/DoK can't bring the same amount of ST healing that AM has. AM is ST healer, WP is AoE healer. RP is a hybrid.
if RP get cought can't keep healing. Shaman can't heal when focus and neither zeal can. you are just blathering.
Even if FE was spammable , you wouldn't spam it. becaus eyou have other things to do durig FE cooldown.
FE is fine, if you can't see how great that ability is, then is your problem.
lol it's not like shamans run around casting DSU and they are like healing god. it's easire to pull big numbers with AM than with Shaman. DSU is just i nice way to eat all your AP. its AP/HPS ratio is awful
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