Kotbs Emperor's Champion no Morale Cost

[Nishka]

Good to know the lack of self-heal on this morale is just a bug. Hope it will get fixed, I miss my favorite m2

[Nishka]

The "emperor's champion" morale was fixed and now 100% functional. Just remember: every time you're abusing ec+runefang, the nerf bat shortens the distance to our heads by 1mm. Merry Christmas kotbses

[Bullen1995]

The "emperor's champion" morale was fixed and now 100% functional. Just remember: every time you're abusing ec+runefang, the nerf bat shortens the distance to our heads by 1mm. Merry Christmas kotbses

Thanks for the Update LMAO And merry Xmas!

[Penril]

Stacked full wounds/armor talismans on my kotbs.

Used Emperor's Champion/Runefang.

Got 800+ wounds and capped my Str. WS, Toughness and Initiative were pretty high too (dont remember the exact values, will post a SS tonight).

With + morale gear you can get M2 really quickly. Runefang and Emperor's Champion should NOT stack.

BTW, i play KotBS. And i still think this stacking is stupid.

[Genisaurus]

Stacked full wounds/armor talismans on my kotbs.

Used Emperor's Champion/Runefang.

Got 800+ wounds and capped my Str. WS, Toughness and Initiative were pretty high too (dont remember the exact values, will post a SS tonight).

With + morale gear you can get M2 really quickly. Runefang and Emperor's Champion should NOT stack.

BTW, i play KotBS. And i still think this stacking is stupid.

It strikes me as cumbersome, from a design perspective, to make an exception to tactic+morale stacking rules for a single combination. It was an idea that was proposed internally for Festering Arrow and Unshakable Focus as well. Just like then, I would advise focusing on adjusting the tactics or morales rather than making an exception to a core principle of the game's ability design. You could make a strong argument that for a core ability, Runefang is almost twice as powerful as it should be. Similarly, Emperor's Champion probably lasts too long for the effect. These changes, or others like them, are far more palatable solutions.

[Penril]

Honestly, i would remove the Initiative buff from Runefang. And replace Str with Initiative on Emperor's Champion.

Runefang: Buffs Str and WS.
Emperor's Champion: Buffs Initiative, Wounds and Toughness.

edit: This is my KotBs, for those who are probably thinking "destro scum you just want to nerf order!!!!!11111"

http://www.returnofreckoning.com/armory ... _name=Gatz

I plan on playing him a lot. And trust me, i would nerf even more things from KotBS (Dirty Tricks + Encouraged Aim).

[Luth]

I don't understand all the problem about it seriously:
If a knight is wasting his morale to selfishly buff his own stats in a group vs group situation, the other side should /lol at him.
He could also use the M3 damage debuff, the aoe root, champions challenge or some other useful morale instead.

Same for Runefang: why should anyone take a tactic that only buffs his stats, when he could also take one that is beneficial to the whole group. He would indirectly weaken his team.

But if this is about 1vs1 roaming, ...

[TenTonHammer]

I don't understand all the problem about it seriously:
If a knight is wasting his morale to selfishly buff his own stats in a group vs group situation, the other side should /lol at him.
He could also use the M3 damage debuff, the aoe root, champions challenge or some other useful morale instead.

Same for Runefang: why should anyone take a tactic that only buffs his stats, when he could also take one that is beneficial to the whole group. He would indirectly weaken his team.

But if this is about 1vs1 roaming, ...

you have 3 other tac slots to drop you 20% crit and 15% heal, if need be you can even run 2 kotbs and the other can run sliced through and whatever

running 2 kotbs is effective unlike running 2 chosens as the former has many more useful auras and auras + tactics

[Tesq]

even if i know how much damage a 2h kobs can reach ( any said 70+% armor penetration... no?)

it feel bad nerf self utility rather than group utility, if kobs alredy need som tone down in his utility tactics further nerf it even in his self utility aspect kinda leave a bad feeling.

[Luth]

A tanks role isnt just to soak up damage and you seem to be focusing on str and missing the point that this combo buffs initiative, toughness and wounds, all rather tasty "tank" stats and one could certainly argue that 30 seconds of that is better than 10 seconds of block or raze..... as for ditracting bellow, you are not always within 30 feet of the person(s) you need to debuff if they have broke around the back lines.

But we could theorycraft all day, the point is a tank isnt just a shield waving a feather duster, it is a multifunctional class and being able to put hard pressure on back lines in terms of damage certainly isnt something to "lol" about because they can do it without being in a glass cannon spec.

I strongly disagree. A tanks main role is it, to soak damage/protect others and deliver CC. The secondary role is to support the DDs.
They totally lack any tools that define the melee DD archetype and are "CC-victims". I don't know any good healer/rDD that could be pressured by any tank, when he knows how to kite and detaunt (if it is even needed).

But that wasn't my point; it was: Why should he take a tactic/use a morale that buffs only 1/6 of the group with some (undeniably high) stat points, when he could also take something that buffs 5/6 or 6/6 of the group members?
The answer to this distinguishes the good groups from the bad ones imo.