Boiling Blood/Word of Pain

[Azarael]

srs question and sorry for drifting apart from the OP but is there anyone who actually knows for 100% how it worked on live?

What is considered sufficient proof? Is the word of mursi, silvermf or some random WE enough?

Hopefully not. A combatlog from live might do, but WAR was laggy sometimes and people used standard UIs so counting seconds is out.

The standard for proof is high. I've posted before that I'm sick of flip-flopping between implementations based on someone's word. People who are absolutely convinced something was x on live have later been shown up when it was proven to be y, just look at the Feinted Positioning thread.

If we cannot prove something to be one way or the other, then my opinion is that we then discuss the issue as a balance issue and use whatever is most balanced for the class.

[Scrilian]

What is considered sufficient proof? Is the word of mursi, silvermf or some random WE enough?

Hopefully not. A combatlog from live might do, but WAR was laggy sometimes and people used standard UIs so counting seconds is out.

The word of the great silvermf is always enough to prove anything

[roadkillrobin]

Give us the 31 set and I have no problem with this anynore.

Give us? Just farm it like everyone else. Stalker gear is a pretty decent substitue before you get your deva set and u can get it just spaming scs. Come on now.

Devastator is a 22-28 set just like Stalker is.
I'm talkin about Anahilator wich is 31 all over.
And i don't need to farm anything, i'm max geared out with full tallies and plenty of stacks with blue 30 armor potions and blue 32 willpower potions.

[Penril]

We've already stated we will fix Mythic's bugs. Pounce failing to work is an obvious bug. Witchbrew having no ICD in its description means it has no ICD until someone can prove otherwise.

What is considered sufficient proof? Is the word of mursi, silvermf or some random WE enough?

Hopefully not. A combatlog from live might do, but WAR was laggy sometimes and people used standard UIs so counting seconds is out.

Nydig is not a random WE. He is one of the best WEs WAR ever saw (top 5 for me), regardless of what you or Bretin think of him. Anyone who knew/knows the guy would take his advice on WE over anyone else's.

Even if he uses a UI you dislike, or posted something wrong in the forum. Everyone makes mistakes occasionally, like you when we discussed Eagle's Flight + WoDS stacking, or me when i ignored how powerful the initiative stat steal was in lower tiers in spite of having played a BO 5+ years, or Bretin when he recommended using Septic Blade to counter order's crit stacking.

I (and i think several people in RoR) respect Bretin's knowledge of the game. He usually backs up his arguments with facts, math... everything. But when you guys start with the "lol you random bad lol we da best", it's really hard to take you guys seriously or even try to have a serious discussion. Not to mention you always fall back to "well 6v6 us" when everything else fails.

OT: BW/Sorc are OP... when fighting pugs or having few healers (i solo healed the other night and i saw 3 BBs at the same time on a friendly target, i wanted to cry ). But if you are in a premade there are several ways to neutralize them.

I was playing my sorc the other night and faced, among others, Mursi and Thorondir. First SC against them i was making them explode. The next SC something must have happened because i got seriously focused (specially by Thorondir; i couldn't get close to start a rotation on anything because he immediately dotted me up or used the KD). Then Mursi would Pounce on me and make me explode. In other words: they put pressure on me and didn't let me do a rotation. I was busier tryting to stay alive than trying to kill anyone (granted, i was solo but still).

@Aza, you mentioned that doing the standard Sorc/BW rotation is super easy. What is the rotation when your Chillwind/WoP get cleansed immediately?

TL;DR: BW/Sorc are easy to play only when your enemies dont cleanse/LoS/detaunt you.

[Azarael]

OT: BW/Sorc are OP... when fighting pugs or having few healers (i solo healed the other night and i saw 3 BBs at the same time on a friendly target, i wanted to cry ). But if you are in a premade there are several ways to neutralize them.

I should have made reference to this when I posted, acknowledged the mistake in IRC. I've no further comment to make regarding BW/Sorc.

I (and i think several people in RoR) respect Bretin's knowledge of the game. He usually backs up his arguments with facts, math... everything. But when you guys start with the "lol you random bad lol we da best", it's really hard to take you guys seriously or even try to have a serious discussion. Not to mention you always fall back to "well 6v6 us" when everything else fails.

I agree with this. It makes my position more difficult, in that I recognise a need for knowledgeable posters in the discussion and I've already allowed more leeway than I should have in trying to protect the most educated opinions, regardless of the manner in which they're delivered. But I can't keep ignoring direct attacks made on posters who are being perfectly civil and may well be just as good as them.

[Soulcheg]

BW is also not an easy class to play.

I don't fully condone the OP but please. Ignite into Boiling Blood into Fireball into Sear into Withering Heat (I'm assuming this is the Order equivalent of the classic Sorc chain) from 100ft is brain dead for the effect that it produces. I don't think BW/Sorc are that imbalanced, if at all, but I will say that this provides a lot of benefit for how tediously easy it is to apply.

Do damage for 1/3 hp of the guarded and healed target, then die of 2-3 melee DPS, with selfdamage for 600+ hp. That easyness.


Every man/woman/thing talking about how easy to play with BW/Sorc - should try to turn off Nerfed Buttons, and play w/o it :/

I can talk about any classes in such way, for example - "oh look, Choppa just pressing Lotsa Choppin', it's SOOOOO hard to play, sure!!!" :/

[katroulitsa]

Every man/woman/thing talking about how easy to play with BW/Sorc - should try to turn off Nerfed Buttons, and play w/o it :/

Never used NB and i can still tell you sorcs are easy to play, if you compare them to other classes ^^ They only require a tiny brain and you're good to go.

[Soulcheg]

Every man/woman/thing talking about how easy to play with BW/Sorc - should try to turn off Nerfed Buttons, and play w/o it :/

Never used NB and i can still tell you sorcs are easy to play

You did a few missprints in the "maradeurs are easy to play" part :^D

[Minerva]

Give us the 31 set and I have no problem with this anynore.

Give us? Just farm it like everyone else. Stalker gear is a pretty decent substitue before you get your deva set and u can get it just spaming scs. Come on now.

Devastator is a 22-28 set just like Stalker is.
I'm talkin about Anahilator wich is 31 all over.
And i don't need to farm anything, i'm max geared out with full tallies and plenty of stacks with blue 30 armor potions and blue 32 willpower potions.

Ofc I ment the Anni set, it's a typo, pretty obvious one. The above still stands.
"Giving" gear is not going to solve anything, low level ppl are going to die more often then 31 full geared ppl. Also, ppl die in this game no matter how good you are. If they die often while being guarded+ having full gear, then it's a L2P issue, either their positioning sux, or they don't know when to pull out, or you're just spamming grp heal and hoping for the best (just a theory since I never saw you play, don't take it personally please ).
As much as the Sorc/BW burst is annoying, every healer has a kit to deal with it, you just have to utilize it.

[Euan]

I've never used nerfed buttons and I'll tell you BW/Sorc are easy mode from playing, to damage dealing, to gearing, to leveling them.

Choppa takes a lot more thought. Also who uses lotsa choppin?


See you're stilling QQing about Marauder. Pray for destro tho rite??? what a joke