Scenarios- pre mades being douchebags

[Scrilian]

Oh, now I see how it goes.
If we are now talking in "I want and muh fairness" terms, then I want to be able to queue from solo to six-man and face every opponent the enemy realm can throw at me, no only limited to "soloQ elite" and "6man scrubstompers" on any map that works. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose and that fine.
This is fair because I think that it is fair for everyone to be free like that.

Besides WAR scens were never about "competitiveness" or "fairness", its was either you farm them or they do. Its brutal, harsh and sometimes seem unfair but still very true lto the spirit of WAR RvR. You jump in and enjoy wherever the journey leads.
There is no RR requirements/matchmaking to que, no gear/setup checks, no troll reports - the game does not need all of these just to become the 6man equvalent of League of Dota. That's what Smite is for.

Every MMO out there has a thread on its forum like that, where it's mostly salty trully skilled always-solo players complain that somehow unfair premades ruin their fun and it should be like CG:GO or something and what they "want".

[Bretin]

premade vs premade wont work due to the general lack of competition on our server. i can provide videos on a daily basis and show you how premades are inside their spawn w/o trying to fight or even worse: guildleaders crashing their client in a full 6 man. dodging is another thing which i did not even mention yet. once we have a core of premades who actually fight each other that would be a solution but rn it would sc que even worse. and what about 4-5 man groups should they face pugs or premades? both is unfair in your opinion so i guess leave the system as it is...

[Aquilon]

Besides WAR scens were never about "competitiveness" or "fairness", its was either you farm them or they do. Its brutal, harsh and sometimes seem unfair but still very true lto the spirit of WAR RvR. You jump in and enjoy wherever the journey leads.
There is no RR requirements/matchmaking to que, no gear/setup checks, no troll reports - the game does not need all of these just to become the 6man equvalent of League of Dota. That's what Smite is for.

Exactly what Ranald was all about. Because our people know how to take effectiveness above&beyond and make all the game mechanis look like a silly joke. Very hardcore - true, but better cast S&M out of the game.

Also pug and premade scenarious are very different in terms of gameplay and better be set apart. Or, someday, match making system should be implimendet (like WoW? or whatever), forcing every side have at least 2 tanks and healers.

PS. Never played on Ru? You noob. Sorry about that.

[Scrilian]

PS. Never played on Ru? You noob. Sorry about that.

If you are talking to me, then I've most likely played on Ru much more than you have hour wise, thou I quit about a month after the Skaven-RvR-80RR+ patch. Anyway check out the signature
Besides, Ranald was renowned for its constant win-trading whatever and wherever possible, up until the Shallya merged with it.

[Kaori1]

Spoiler:

Or - and I really can't stress this enough - you could gather a group of friends/people and make a group yourself?

I reiterate: if you want relatively easy PvP (at least ,most of the time) join a warband and just latch on. Scenarios are intended to be more competitive, mixing PvP with CTF-style mechanics. If you can't be bothered to find some people to play with in a GROUP-ORIENTATED game, that's your prerogative!

I don't want to, why should I have to make a group just to have fun? In fact I find that scenarios with pubs vs pubs is more fun than pre-made groups, that's my personal opinion. And no, if scenarios drop scenario specific items such as scenario medallions, then they need to be accessible to everyone otherwise you are punishing people for how they play. And this is not a "Group-oriented game" its an MMO which has a heavy emphasis on PVP, now wanting to play with your friends is fine in a group playing in a scenario, but pubs were here first before this pre-made crap became compulsory to even play scenarios with any hope of winning. And if you really want competitive play, fine. Pre-mades can only fight pre-mades, that competitive enough for you? And the rest of us "pubbies" will enjoy scenarios with no pre-mades to ruin our day. I rest my case.

Scenarios were intended for quick PVP matches everyone can get involved with, just because it is smaller in scale has no bearing on if it is competitive or not, in fact it has the same competitiveness level as ORVR as the only thing worth fighting for is XP, RVR XP and medals, if you win you get more, lose you get less. If it was truly more competitive there would be a scoreboard noting which pre-mades were the best or which group won a scenario fastest, but there isnt. Which shows whilst it can go to 6v6, it is not all about pre-made groups and certainly does not record anything you do in pre-mades, the only reason why people do it is to kill people easier and win more often, now whilst this isnt too bad when there are only a few, when you are constantly running into pre-made groups and losing every match, the game no longer becomes fun, then you either play how you dont want to play, or stop playing all together.

My solution is fair to everyone, pre-mades fight pre-mades and pubbies fight pubbies. That will give you the "competitiveness" you want and will allow pubbies to enjoy themselves, to state that this is bad means you just enjoy farming pubbies, in which even Azarael said it was unsportsmanlike of pre-mades to farm pubbies because as the OP said, its just being a douchebag.

As someone who does both premade and solo scs on a regular basis, I agree with this post 100%. Theres no thought or skill involved when my group and i are 500/0ing pubs, i have way more fun in a full pub game. At the very least limit the premades to 3 or so people, that way you can queue with your friends and still have a competitive and fair game.

[vove]

But premades are not a problem at all. You are derailing this topic

What's the difference between 2 melee, 2 rdps and 2 healers in a pug vs 2 melee, 2 rdps and 2 healers in a premade? None. If people don't know what to do and how to play it doesn't matter whether you are in premade or not.

When I join sc in a premade it doesn't matter if you communicate, somehow people just know what to do, but this is not some miraculous power given to you when you join as a group, you just try not to fail horribly. Sometimes when I see teammate tank/melee running solo straight into group of 6 enemies just to die, rez and repeat the process I know there is no hope. That's not because you are in a pug, you just fail and you don't realize where you commit the error.

Let's say it: many people joining scenarios have no idea what to do and how to cooperate with the rest of their group to guarantee a success. When joining as a premade you basically have a party of people who have a clue on how to play the game.

[Nishka]

There is no problem in finding a premade to play in. The problem is that playing in a premade against a pug is as boring as playing in a pug against premade, because most of the time your premade will be getting easy wins against pugs.
I understand some people enjoy roflstomping the other team and than camping the enemy wc for next 10 min, mouthing them and shouting stuff like "come down cowards", but I don't play the game to grow my virtual pingas.
Also, not the least reason why t1-t2 scenes are much more fun than t3 is because they mostly lack premades.

[mursie]

Solution is really simple. For an alpha server, I think some test data should be implemented and it is as easy as follows.

Keep the current que system as is. No change. Whether full group, partial, or solo - you can que for the current system as is no issue.. Call this current que group que.

Make a second que system. It can only be solo player ques... - call it solo que. Give it a month and see the results. What are people queing more for - what are the masses actually doing? Are they a bunch of solo players enjoying an mmo that group together as pugs in the solo que face other random solo que teams... or is the current que system the predominant choice.

Seems like a great experiment to test.

[geezereur]

As a solo player i have no problems with premades in sc because its usually 50/50 for Order and Destro in turn of wins.

[Soulcheg]

cutting a long story short - this whole thread it's a l2p issue.