An honest enquiry

[Celtic]

I fully expect to get flamed for this post, but i will post it nevertheless because its a genuine question - NO MALACE is intended nor am i trying to be condescending to anyone its something both my hubby and i have asked eachother over the weeks we have been back playing and i wondered what others thought.

There seems to be a huge divide in game between old players and new and is this somewhat an explanation of how things are not running as they used to (this is not bashing the devs, game, bugs etc i am LOVING the game and so very glad to be back and grateful to those who work so hard to allow us to play) let me explain.

SCs - why does it take someone to say, get the flags/bases/artifact/bauble etc - is it that the new players don't know that's part of the Scenario game play? Are people just so focused on killing the *enemy* for medallions etc that other stuff doesn't matter? - im actually honestly wondering?

Keep takes - I know the WB set up is still broken and its having an effect on the WBs in all zones, but, in a keep defense etc, IF the warband is somewhat balanced, why is there no tank wall/set up for defense 9 out of 10 times - is this lack of knowledge about the best way to defend? or is it a lack of want from players since there is rewards for taking or defending as there was on the live servers? again wondering

By no means am i a brilliant player on any of my classes lol or know as much as a lot of people do about the game but i have played with those i do class as brilliant, and the way they play always works and its always fun - for example - Keep defence --- tank wall funneling order through if they push dps either side working through them, healers and rdps behind, sorcs spamming PoS etc all using morales at the same time to push them back outside etc - all worked towards fantastic gaming and workable defense, instead of just throwing AOEs at the door then running up to the lords room and usually wiping which is what happens most time now.

Do new players know their classes well enough? - for example do all WE's know to go straight after healers? What they can do to be useful in a keep take/defence situation - I ask since 2 days playing my RP saw WEs going for BWs and not me, and im thinking, do players think taking down those who seem to do the most damage is the best course of action, or people STILL hitting tanks, instead of taking down healers and dps etc. Is all this due to a lack of information since not all the information available when the server was live is still around?

I have to say that yes im an older player, and so i think VERY differently to a lot of people in game it seems, but i see a HUGE difference in the gameplay now to when the servers were live and i played. For example, leeching was frowned on by everyone and those doing it to the point when i played that some guilds would kick players who continuously did this, now it seems to be *thats what ppl do* mentality that defends such actions? Kill stealing/loot stealing is mentioned everyday in one of the chat channels, i can barely remember it being done when i played and i played for 4 years on live servers. When and how did the mentality that you join a WB then sit in the nearest WC needing for medallions and leeching xp etc happen? Why do people even log in if they are not going to play the game. When i join an SC i play til it ends, now i see people stood in the starting area, needing for medallions that others are playing for, when did this become the norm and ok, to the point when someone brings it up THEY are the ones flamed?

I guess what im asking is the bad game play that has nothing at all to do with the game still being in Alpha and everything to do with the people playing due to lack of knowledge, that maybe could be sorted by information, or just down to a different generation of players?

[Arbich]

I don´t know on which servers you played. I only played the german servers and I see no difference from then to now. All what you say about the behavior of the "new players" also happens on the old servers.

This is an international server, so thats maybe the reason for the in your eyes unexpected behavior of other players

[Celtic]

I played on Norn and Karak i think the servers were, and yes you might be right, just wondering is all.

[RyanMakara]

Xrealm swapping was more troublesome on live because you'd either have to deal with the lockout timer on one account with characters on both factions, or get a second paid subscription account. It did happen, but was usually done by tight 6 man groups who swapped to the underdog side for AAO.

[zegreiart]

Dunning-Kruger is a pretty real thing gaming in the WoW-era of MMO's and moba's. For every potentially good player, there's two who don't care. And speaking of WAR right now, attitude is also a massive problem with the community right now. Earlier this morning, I sat in a warband with the lead telling us all how much we **** sucked and they didn't know how we could be so bad. Really, this is mostly the prevalent attitude I see floating around in-game (I say that as I am unguilded and enjoy that whole "mysterious stranger" that floats through groups, doing WHer-y things and is gone once the fight disperses. Haven't found a good "home" yet, truth be told), and this is moderately tame compared to a -lot- of things I've seen people say to others in my few weeks of being here in RoR. But there's nothing you can really do about people like that other than mute and move on, sadly.

When dealing with directionless players, I go about it by giving advice where needed; if they follow it, great, that's one more player who might decide to care, get better, and make the community that much more enjoyable and pass on what they know. If they don't, I accept that things are going to be bad and ride it out and move on.

I feel like RoR has the potential to have a few guilds with like-minded players just like what you seem to be and set the example - bad players will have to shape up and get better or strive for mediocrity and get farmed. It's going to be on the larger guilds to offer to teach how to perform rather than expect performance. Those who don't, or won't, are part of the problem, in my opinion.

Just my two copper.

[Broseidon]

I feel like RoR has the potential to have a few guilds with like-minded players just like what you seem to be and set the example - bad players will have to shape up and get better or strive for mediocrity and get farmed. It's going to be on the larger guilds to offer to teach how to perform rather than expect performance. Those who don't, or won't, are part of the problem, in my opinion.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. You have to remember this has been out for much less time than live, meaning that the bad players are still learning what to do. Ive been trying to help everyone I can but 3-4 people trying to fix a realm isn't going to work. My guild has also been trying to take in noobs and teach them the basics which has worked rather well, we've put a lot of people into some of the elite guilds after teaching them what to do.

The key to what I'm trying to say is progress will happen and you only have to give it time. It took a loy of players on live about 4 years to get their **** straight so it could take equally as long for this pug base to learn how to play.

[Celtic]

this is why i asked the question, is it a lack of information, because THAT is the easiest thing to fix!

[Kestros]

I just started several days ago, and I have to say I'm one of those new players struggling to learn the best tactics... I'm playing an engineer, and out of frustration trying to kill tanks I've decided to try to kill other DPS/healers. I haven't really had much direction, but by playing more and trying different tactics I'm learning a few things simply by process of elimination. Hopefully others are doing the same, trying out their different abilities to figure out how to maximize their impact.

What Celtic originally posted sounds awesome, with the organized keep defense/taking strategies. Hope to eventually participate in something like that!

I can honestly say my original bad playing was not intentional and hopefully others are out there just like me that's still in the learning phase and will get better with time. That being said, I've never tried to kill steal or not participate in a SC. I have been guilty of trying to kill rather than capture BOs though.

[Celtic]

no clue what happened to this post but forgot what i said hahahaha

[vorod]

I played the final three years on live, I'm not seeing really all that much difference. there are those who know what they're doing and there are those that always go for the tanks because they are out in front. As well as, joining WBs and going to the wrong zone, not doing tank walls, not using your knockback to punt defenders off keep walls when attacking door, complaining about bomb groups, afking in spawn in SCs, WB leaders telling everyone how much they suck, etc. etc. blah blah...same ol' WAR to me