Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

[Azarael]

The sooner we get into T4 the better.

And yes, you would have been annihilated if you posted that in there.

[mursie]

i honestly doubt that our coffee shop operators, supermarket employees and what not ppl inside this community do for live, are able to design a game as good as the mythic staff.

So to sum up - "literally every hybrid healer is fine" and our community of hobos should stop posting ideas on how to fix.

But when you post on how to fix the DPS WP... that is ok? because you are better than this entire community?

[Penril]

Ok, about DPS healers.

The original intent of WAR devs, whether people like it or not, was to give different roles to classes depending on what spec they chose. On some classes, it is quite easy to figure out what role they intended for their trees (Savagery = debuffer, Brutality = damage/burst, Destruction = AoE, etc.).

Then we have the healers, which apparently cause some confusion on people even after 7 years. If you look at WP/Dok/AM/Shaman, you will find that they have:

- One tree that has shields, HoTs, healing tactics, etc. This is clearly meant to be their Heal tree. Dont expect to do much damage if you spec here.
- One tree that has a heal debuff, a finisher when target is at 50%- health, toughness debuffs, etc. This is, of course, a DPS tree. Your healing will be bad if you spec here.
- One lifetap tree. Yes, this is the true hybrid tree, which lets you do damage and heal at the same time (not gonna talk about its viability though).

Yes, some might be of the opinion that healers should not DPS. I suggest they go find another game. Fact (not opinion, fact) is that healers have a DPS tree (and some do very well in those specs) and they should not be put down because they choose to go pew pew. If people need a true healer, they should form a premade or roll their own healer.

edit: just to correct some horrible typos

[Linae]

To some point though, all healers do need to be able to do some damage.. same with tanks.. why? How the hell are they supposed to level otherwise? If they are being attacked by something, whether another player or a mob, how are they supposed to kill it or even have a chance to kill it if they are by themselves? They have to have some dps to some degree , it would be blatantly stupid otherwise. So to say " they can dps therefore they should be able to put out dps like a true dps class " really isn't necessarily true. They can dps because they have to be able to do some just to play the game reasonably, but it doesn't mean they need to dps well.

It is my opinion ( and only an opinion obviously as Mursie has pointed out), but I would like to see a "true" healing class mostly healing, of which I consider AM/Shaman and RP/Zealot in this category. With DOK/WP I consider more of the hybrid as they have the melee spec in there.

That being said, if we are in a scenario where we have enough healers to go around, and a healer wants to dps, go for it. BUT, if we have like only 1 or 2 ppl who are playing classes who can heal , I wish at the very least they would at least have the decency to decide to try to heal for the good of the team. Or even just throw around the odd hot. That's all I ask. I was in one scenario recently with the only healer in it a DPS AM. I was on my BW. I stood right beside him with about 200 health ( pots on timer already) for what seemed liked forever without so much as a single hot before I died. It would have taken a second to throw that hot and make a HUGE difference.

And before anyone says " roll a healer then" .. um yeah.. I have 2 mains.. my BW and my HEALING AM.. and quite often if I find after several scenarios there is a shortage of heals, I'll log onto my AM for the good of the side. I like to group with my guildies, but they aren't always on at all times.

[Bretin]

Ok, about DPS healers.

The original intent of WAR devs, wether people like it or not, was to give different roles to classes depending on what spec they chose. On some classes, it is quite easy to figure out what role they intended for their trees (Savagery = debuffer, Brutality = damage/burst, Destruction = AoE, etc.).

Then we have the healers, which apparently cause some confusion on people even after 7 years. If you look at WP/Dok/AM/Shaman, you will find that they have:

- One tree that has shields, HoTs, healing tactics, etc. This is clearly meant to be their Heal tree. Dont spec to do much damage if you spec here.
- One tree that has a heal debuff, a finisher when target is at 50%- health, toughness debuffs, etc. This is, of course, a DPS tree. Your healing will be bad if you spec here.
- One lifetap tree. Yes, this is the true hybrid tree, which lets you do damage and heal at the same time (not gonna talk about its viability though).

Yes, some might be of the opinion that healers should not DPS. I suggest they go find another game. Fact (not opinion, fact) is that healers have a DPS tree (and some do very well in those specs) and they should not be put down because they choose to go pew pew. If people need a true healer, they should form a premade or roll their own healer.

well said

[Penril]

And before anyone says " roll a healer then"

Too late

[Culdu]

... we have some things to tweak but this game works almost perfect compared to any other pvp mmorpg and the devs of RoR - who do an insanely good job (all of them) - should not get baited into drastic fail changes like the ones who were suggested by several ppl in this thread.

- thread + forum

signed

[Bretin]

i honestly doubt that our coffee shop operators, supermarket employees and what not ppl inside this community do for live, are able to design a game as good as the mythic staff.

So to sum up - "literally every hybrid healer is fine" and our community of hobos should stop posting ideas on how to fix.

But when you post on how to fix the DPS WP... that is ok? because you are better than this entire community?

i think the difference between a complete archetype rework (thats what you are asking for) and a small tweak to implement a decent class into the meta game is quite obvious

[mursie]

Yes, some might be of the opinion that healers should not DPS. I suggest they go find another game. Fact (not opinion, fact) is that healers have a DPS tree (and some do very well in those specs) and they should not be put down because they choose to go pew pew. If people need a true healer, they should form a premade or roll their own healer.

Thx but we are saying the same thing. If you haven't played swtor then I can understand the confusion. As a sorc in that game, there are 3 disciplines. You can spec in and out of them as you will. But when you spec a discipline (think a specific tree in WAR)...you are locked to that tree until you respec... and as a result you are locked to that archtype.

So tonight, you log in and spec Wrath discipline on your WP - you are DPS. period.

Tomorrow, you log in and spec heals discpline on your WP - you are heals, period.

As I said, I think its great to give classes the flexibility to pick an archetype. That is what the discpline system does. Then when a scenario is qued and match-making looks to put x number of healers and x number of dps and x number of tanks... it knows what you are. So if you are wrath specced WP - you are a dps role. you don't take a heal spot role in that scenario..and it still looks to fill it.

[mursie]

i think the difference between a complete archetype rework (thats what you are asking for) and a small tweak to implement a decent class into the meta game is quite obvious

Actually I'm not asking for anything, only stating what my opinion is. And the difference is, I don't need to attack and criticize others and their opinions, because I'm so insecure that my own opinion will be overlooked or unheard if I don't.