scenarios just for lvl 32.

[CzarRedwall]

If you're at rank 21/22 (whichever is the lower rank in the t3 bracket) then you shouldnt be doing SCs. You could, but dont expect to compete as much. Honestly, if youre looking to level in SCs, then expect a slow and somewhat frustrsting experience.

Killing mobs 1-2 levels lower than you yields more experience when farming than wins in SCs. I've found it to be a lot quicker when leveling. Not to mention you can get some loot and spare money.

[Linae]

If you're at rank 21/22 (whichever is the lower rank in the t3 bracket) then you shouldnt be doing SCs. You could, but dont expect to compete as much. Honestly, if youre looking to level in SCs, then expect a slow and somewhat frustrsting experience.

Killing mobs 1-2 levels lower than you yields more experience when farming than wins in SCs. I've found it to be a lot quicker when leveling. Not to mention you can get some loot and spare money.

Yup this!

This has never been anything new in any game ever. You can't expect to be lvl 22 and be able as good ( in general ) as someone lvl 32. You just need to level up. Levelling is pretty quick, splitting up a sometimes already small population I think is not the answer for scenarios.

[greenstoned]

Temporarily shift to new-style caps with a bias towards lower ranks. 1-15, 16-27, 28-32 for SCs. Overlap for RvR.

i like this idea

i dont think u can split 32 apart without doing somethin like this, in most t3 ive done 80% or so of the ppl seem to be 32, queue time if it pops at all would be horrible for pre 32 t3 players, hence no emblems, hence no set and sc weapons when you do get 32. no matter what you'd get a power gap, on top of making early t3 boring as hell for new players and alts

[magter3001]

Temporarily shift to new-style caps with a bias towards lower ranks. 1-15, 16-27, 28-32 for SCs. Overlap for RvR.

I like this idea. Keeps 3 brackets and helps T2 a lot.

[TenTonHammer]

Hmm nah as someone who's just hit t3 myself- it's fine as it is. My ranked 22 RP is out healing most of the 32's in the sc's I've been in. I think it depends what class you are. I think it's harder for squishy dps to make the transition but there are plenty of ways they can level up. And it's not exactly like much grinding is needed between 22-32.
I just think that creating an extra tier in sc's will mean less pops and will just create more work as it will need to be changed again when t4 comes around.

Healers are not the ones who have to deal with being irrelevent in T3 scenario brackets its dps and tanks, going in and seeling your shitty conquest weapons and stuff hitting for only in the double digits vs all the heigh geared armor/tough stacking players while you get destroyed by all the hard hitting abilites, your armor turned to paper by force oppertunity and cutting claw and pretty much being irrelvent in scenaros, and no there is no other way to level up scs and kill quests are the best way and most viable way to level.


Retooling the sc brackets would actully help make sc pops better as it would increase the pool of players quing by drawing in players from all three tiers making pops more frequent

[Shadowgurke]

I like the idea but what about the currency? Does that mean that players above level 22 in the second bracket give T3 medals?

[Renork]

If you're at rank 21/22 (whichever is the lower rank in the t3 bracket) then you shouldnt be doing SCs. You could, but dont expect to compete as much. Honestly, if youre looking to level in SCs, then expect a slow and somewhat frustrsting experience.

Killing mobs 1-2 levels lower than you yields more experience when farming than wins in SCs. I've found it to be a lot quicker when leveling. Not to mention you can get some loot and spare money.

Yup this!

This has never been anything new in any game ever. You can't expect to be lvl 22 and be able as good ( in general ) as someone lvl 32. You just need to level up. Levelling is pretty quick, splitting up a sometimes already small population I think is not the answer for scenarios.

I'm sorry, am I just really stupid...has playing a magi for years made my brain go bad?

Let me see if I understand this correctly ....if you are not level and gear appropriate for the scenario bracket, then you shouldn't queue for it right? So, how does this split the "already small population"? After all...if you are not "level and gear appropriate" you shouldn't be queuing in the first place right? Wut? I don't get the logic behind these two posts, please help me.

Azarael's bracket change would make it so that people would level faster between 16-27, how is this bad again? Because according to the posts above people shouldn't be queuing for t3 scenarios if they're 22 in the first place.

I love ROR players,


"NO DON'T SPLIT THE POPULATION, I NEED TO FARM THOSE LV 22'S!!!!"
"LOL IF U 22 U SHOULDN'T QUEUE!"

Ohhhhhhhhhh that makes sense now. It's like telling someone "Don't kill yourself, just slit your wrists"

[Dabbart]

Healers are not the ones who have to deal with being irrelevent in T3 scenario brackets its dps and tanks, going in and seeling your shitty conquest weapons and stuff hitting for only in the double digits vs all the heigh geared armor/tough stacking players while you get destroyed by all the hard hitting abilites, your armor turned to paper by force oppertunity and cutting claw and pretty much being irrelvent in scenaros, and no there is no other way to level up scs and kill quests are the best way and most viable way to level.


Retooling the sc brackets would actully help make sc pops better as it would increase the pool of players quing by drawing in players from all three tiers making pops more frequent

Huh? Champs in Saph will take you from 22-32 in a couple hrs... There are a LOT of other ways to lvl besides SCs... What are you smoking?


And I don't see an issue with the lvl bracket. The issue is that 32 is the finish line, and these guys don't lvl out of the tier. Entry to T2 as a lvl 12 you get rolled by 21s far harder than at 22 by 32's in my experience. I mean, being melted is the same all over, but I feel entirely worthless at lvl 12, whereas at 22 I have some abilities and equipment. But that 22 is going to get rolled by 31's fairly similar to 32s. The RR and gear is negligable since most people get stalker by 26. Talis is dependant upon a person's grinding or economy, and as such shouldn't be used as a broad spectrum. I see Dev gear with +12 tali's on people all the time.


TLDR, temporary bracket might be the way to go. But the "problem" lies in a lack of t4, not the inherent powergap.

[Thalmus]

every time you are at entry level to a new tier you feel underpowered in sc's it's the whole point of levelling in the first place to make your toon better and more able to compete. Those complaining need to stop asking the devs to hold your hands and grow a pair.
There are loads of options for levelling and even a casual player can get from 22-32 in a week or so.

[Linae]

If you're at rank 21/22 (whichever is the lower rank in the t3 bracket) then you shouldnt be doing SCs. You could, but dont expect to compete as much. Honestly, if youre looking to level in SCs, then expect a slow and somewhat frustrsting experience.

Killing mobs 1-2 levels lower than you yields more experience when farming than wins in SCs. I've found it to be a lot quicker when leveling. Not to mention you can get some loot and spare money.

Yup this!

This has never been anything new in any game ever. You can't expect to be lvl 22 and be able as good ( in general ) as someone lvl 32. You just need to level up. Levelling is pretty quick, splitting up a sometimes already small population I think is not the answer for scenarios.

I'm sorry, am I just really stupid...has playing a magi for years made my brain go bad?

Let me see if I understand this correctly ....if you are not level and gear appropriate for the scenario bracket, then you shouldn't queue for it right? So, how does this split the "already small population"? After all...if you are not "level and gear appropriate" you shouldn't be queuing in the first place right? Wut? I don't get the logic behind these two posts, please help me.

Azarael's bracket change would make it so that people would level faster between 16-27, how is this bad again? Because according to the posts above people shouldn't be queuing for t3 scenarios if they're 22 in the first place.

I love ROR players,


"NO DON'T SPLIT THE POPULATION, I NEED TO FARM THOSE LV 22'S!!!!"
"LOL IF U 22 U SHOULDN'T QUEUE!"

Ohhhhhhhhhh that makes sense now. It's like telling someone "Don't kill yourself, just slit your wrists"

I didn't say not to queue for scenarios, don't put words in my mouth. I said it's not difficult to level, even if doing nothing but scenarios, you just won't be as strong as the ones at max level, which is obvious. And as Thalmus points out, every time you are at entry level to a new tier, you will feel underpowered. There's no way around that unless you have a new tier every few levels which would just be ridiculous. Most of our guildies who are in the lower levels of T3 get a 2-3 lvls in a few hours online doing scenarios and killing the heroes between scenarios when they are up with us. It's NOT difficult.