the only thing that comes to my mind is the skaventide ring w/ reduced crit. maybe some gear bonus from stalker or duelist set?Defiance wrote:I'll take another look at my Ini, and what those 20ish points do for me. ~200 is a relic of when I thought getting it higher would be a good idea. It was near 230 a week or two ago.Razid1987 wrote:Initiative isn't really worth it above 180, imo. The stat simply becomes too expensive. Those 20 points up to 200 just gives way too little back compared to 20 of another stat.
If you want less chance to be crit, I suggest going for just that instead: Reduced chance to be crit.
Aside from RR, and 1%-2% on gear, is there anywhere else I can get reduced chance to be crit? My RR is currently divided between Parry and Disrupt/Dodge.
DD's stack main dmg stat. Healers stack? Tanks stack?
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Well, you can judge for yourselfDefiance wrote:I'll take another look at my Ini, and what those 20ish points do for me. ~200 is a relic of when I thought getting it higher would be a good idea. It was near 230 a week or two ago.Razid1987 wrote:Initiative isn't really worth it above 180, imo. The stat simply becomes too expensive. Those 20 points up to 200 just gives way too little back compared to 20 of another stat.
If you want less chance to be crit, I suggest going for just that instead: Reduced chance to be crit.
Aside from RR, and 1%-2% on gear, is there anywhere else I can get reduced chance to be crit? My RR is currently divided between Parry and Disrupt/Dodge.

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Re: DD's stack main dmg stat. Healers stack? Tanks stack?
If youre a healer that knows how to position/kite/detaunt/ect., you want a mix of wounds/willpower. The way to survive on a healer isnt to stack mitigation and stand there facetanking people, its to have enough health to survive burst long enough for your group to switch guard and peel dps off you. Of course if youre the kind that prefers to stand in the middle of a fight spamming group heal, stack armor/toughness.
That all assumes a group of course. If youre pugging on destro on a cloth healer you want to stack armor, so you can have the slightest chance of surviving sws (because eye shot has so much counterplay involved, right?!?!?!). Order, well, I dont pug on order much, I guess the same would apply, though destro seems 75% sorcs, so you could go with wounds too.
Also, as far as initiative goes, I never bothered stacking it either. Id add a little to my build on a wp/dok just because they are so low, but unless youre under ~200 it never seemed worth it.
That all assumes a group of course. If youre pugging on destro on a cloth healer you want to stack armor, so you can have the slightest chance of surviving sws (because eye shot has so much counterplay involved, right?!?!?!). Order, well, I dont pug on order much, I guess the same would apply, though destro seems 75% sorcs, so you could go with wounds too.
Also, as far as initiative goes, I never bothered stacking it either. Id add a little to my build on a wp/dok just because they are so low, but unless youre under ~200 it never seemed worth it.
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Yeah, as a archmage you pretty much had to stand there face tanking people. Live all you could cast on the move were 2 hots that didn't do a whole lot. Shield of Saphery maybe absorbed one hit. Move and die faster. Guard? You didn't plan on it. I put guard on my husband and peeled crap off him if necessary, but he let me know when. Mostly I could let him be. I will accept his spec as perfectly viable as I watched it work time and time again.
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face tanking is never a way to heal on backline healer. stacking wp is coming from set bonuses and gear so no need to overstack it by other ways so renown and talis are for def stats. It is quite no brainer...
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toughness is p bad on healers i just run a pot because everything else is buffed by a zealot
toughness is p bad on healers i just run a pot because everything else is buffed by a zealot
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Re: DD's stack main dmg stat. Healers stack? Tanks stack?
My WP goes armor tali's (124 atm, not the best) and RR into crit reduction. He has ~3% base chance of crit(I think) with nearly 3k armor(with prayer), my knight goes ini tali's(17's are the best I can make atm) and disrupt/dodge RR. He has something like 2800 armor(with pot), and a 5% chance to be crit. Both are highly tanky, and without a concerted effort, really damned hard to kill. I have sat on a flag with my WP with multiple dessie on me, and being unkillable.
You have to balance where the damage is coming from into your defensive strategy imo. Look at the builds for the main damage dealers. Most of them rely on crit bonus' for large portions of their damage. Even with crit reduction, I get critted all the time. W/o it, I just disappear in a puff of red mist to a decent group. If you find that one particular damage type or class is constantly killing you, maybe try to figure out what is making you so damned attractive to that class/type.
WH? I feel like a strong wind knocks him on his ass... But as you say, DD's stack main dam stat:P
You have to balance where the damage is coming from into your defensive strategy imo. Look at the builds for the main damage dealers. Most of them rely on crit bonus' for large portions of their damage. Even with crit reduction, I get critted all the time. W/o it, I just disappear in a puff of red mist to a decent group. If you find that one particular damage type or class is constantly killing you, maybe try to figure out what is making you so damned attractive to that class/type.
WH? I feel like a strong wind knocks him on his ass... But as you say, DD's stack main dam stat:P
Re: DD's stack main dmg stat. Healers stack? Tanks stack?
Stacking willpower on healers is for PVE.
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This is one of my favourite combat log screenshots. The person playing the SW posted to the forums complaining that amor penetration from WS wasn't working properly. What they didn't realise is that the sorc had 890 toughness. The sorc must have really stacked it - def sov, a liniment plus talis and renown points. They would have also been receiving about 100 toughness from the level 46 bolster.
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee4 ... 5s9fjg.png
Of course, the sorc's dps would have been garbage. But they were getting a laugh out of the SW's frustration.
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee4 ... obwdyx.png
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee4 ... 5s9fjg.png
Of course, the sorc's dps would have been garbage. But they were getting a laugh out of the SW's frustration.
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee4 ... obwdyx.png
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Thats some ridiculous mitigation vs that stacked SW.
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