[Black Guard]2H Disparity between IB?

[Tklees]

By group buffs I ment ib has more buffs the are relevent to pretty much all members of the grp

While bgs punt can still be "better" it requires max resource to do so

Where as ib performs like that 100% of the time

Thank you for clarifying. Something to look at then would maybe be a reduction in amount of hate needed to perform these abilities as the punt and 5 sec KD are the classes defining CC as stagger and super punt are for kotbs chosen?
And possibly 1-2 more ib like DP buffing abilities.

[noisestorm]

The tooltip states "Chance to be critically hit by others increased by 10%" Now that is read by _Everyone_. Judging from your logic then noone should crit it because everyone that reads the tooltip reads it as 'others' ... Like i said, this is just a case of bad wording on Mythics side like with so many things. It is and was a simple 10% inc crit debuff. There is no other crit debuff that exludes oneself either. there are just dmg >buffs< and and crit >buffs< that exclude oneself. But not inc >debuffs<


Edit: PS: CD currently gives the affected target a "critical_hitrate_reduction -10" . In case anyone doubts its effects working on RoR for now. For your casual one this can be read as the tooltip suggests -> 10% more likely to being crit.

[Gobtar]

The debuff tooltip can say many things, but only a proper test will let you know for sure. That's why this is still an Alpha and not a complete game yet. Just last week me and some guildies were testing a tactic that was supposed to stack with some skills. It didn't; we told a dev and i think it got fixed in the last patch. If we hadn't taken 15 minutes of our time to test it, we would have never found out (someone else would have eventually, ofc).

Just take it as friendly advice. Proper tests on one skill from one class in one day at RoR can sometimes tell you more than 5 years of experience with all 24 classes in WAR live.

For sure, which again, I keep up to date on purposeful changes, I put in bug reports when my experience with the subject is different from RoR. I hadn't tested it no on RoR, I was going to when I got home, and if the ability didn't behave how I expected it to I would then try to find proof with tool tips that it should function that way and then make a bug report. I have gone back and edited my previous comments to make it less "Absolute"...

[Gobtar]

The tooltip states "Chance to be critically hit by others increased by 10%" Now that is read by _Everyone_. Judging from your logic then noone should crit it because everyone that reads the tooltip reads it as 'others' ... Like i said, this is just a case of bad wording on Mythics side like with so many things. It is and was a simple 10% inc crit debuff. There is no other crit debuff that exludes oneself either. there are just dmg >buffs< and and crit >buffs< that exclude oneself. But not inc >debuffs<

Mythic logic is confusing that is for certain. Despite that, there must be a reason why they would include such wording on both the tool-tip of the ability and the debuff, very particular use of 'others', a word noted for representing objects outside the main subject. Could this use of the word be a key word to be linked to the BGs tooltip? Again, it is easy to admit that mythic had a poor choice of using said word, but it's much harder to come up with explanation for why they would use the word in the first place if there wasn't a valid reason for it.

The fact that the interaction of the ability is unique does not negate the possibility of the existence of said interaction.

[noisestorm]

No. There is no reason. They are simply retarded thats all to it. Seems like you cannot understand that

The best example are the #Attackspeed tactics or for example Focused Mind. Logically(mathematically) the wording for FM states a 50% increase in casttime which actually should equal a 33% decrease in cast-time. In fact on live the skill times were halfed though!

The same for all attackspeed tactics, which in fact did half the swing intervalls back on live for a LONG time. Somewhen they changed it though to actually reflect the mathematical correct form of what they have written. For FM the tooltip actually _is_ indeed wrong (or they simply never dared to nerf this skill).

PS:

mfw i have to read and find myself to be obliged to answer to some posts/people on the forums

[Gobtar]

No. There is no reason. They are simply retarded thats all to it. Seems like you cannot understand that

Maybe, I just cannot fathom that level of idiocy...point of matter is people tend do things for a reason (motive), and try to communicate their ideas the best way they can...sometimes they fail at it, but it's in the attempt we can see intent. FM is a good example, they tried to convey that cast times are halved...but they wanted to get all mathematical and failed, but you can see where they tried.

I am happy to leave this aspect of the conversation to the devs to decide how they want the implementation based on the wording given and it be done and over with.

[noisestorm]

Since the 2h specc of the BG is not really in line with other tanks either (meaning it is bad compared to others), I really doubt that this class will see a nerf tbh. And honestly I also dont see any reason why it would need a nerf in the first place.

[incredible]

mfw i have to read and find myself to be obliged to answer to some posts/people on the forums

You seem to be a bit harsh in this thread. It is unlike you. Careful with your emotions.

Fear leads to anger.

Anger leads to hate.

Hate leads to suffering.

[Luth]

The knights "All out assault!" says only "dealing xy damage", but on the mythic server i discovered during some testing that it does resistance damage (probably elemental).
Sometimes the tooltips are very incomplete/wrong.

[Gobtar]

Since the 2h specc of the BG is not really in line with other tanks either (meaning it is bad compared to others), I really doubt that this class will see a nerf tbh. And honestly I also dont see any reason why it would need a nerf in the first place.

I agree, I would rather keep it how it is as well, sorry for wasting everyones time.