Why do fans hate "The End Times"?

[Gobtar]

I believe Total War will have the timeless element of Warhammer,.

And skull mountains, skull mountains for everyone.

[Colephis]

I just hope the dont plan to do the same thing to WH40k

And when they do please not in the same way as with Warhammer Fantasy like the Emperor rises from his golden Throne and hides the Sol System in some Kind of Parralel dimension to strike out after Chaos after some time

[Penril]

I just hope the dont plan to do the same thing to WH40k

And when they do please not in the same way as with Warhammer Fantasy like the Emperor rises from his golden Throne and hides the Sol System in some Kind of Parralel dimension to strike out after Chaos after some time

They won't. All their money comes from Space Marines. Which is the reason why Sigmarites ("Sigmarines") exist now.

IIRC Spaces Marines alone sold more miniatures than all of WHFB combined.

[Dreadspectre]

I just hope the dont plan to do the same thing to WH40k

And when they do please not in the same way as with Warhammer Fantasy like the Emperor rises from his golden Throne and hides the Sol System in some Kind of Parralel dimension to strike out after Chaos after some time

They won't. All their money comes from Space Marines. Which is the reason why Sigmarites ("Sigmarines") exist now.

IIRC Spaces Marines alone sold more miniatures than all of WHFB combined.

I mean the SM are cool and all, but to this day I cannot fathom why so many people play them in TT. Isn't it boring to keep playing basically the same units vs the same units? The Chapters don't have much difference between them, it's mostly just lore fluff.

The fun battles are when it's two different kinds of armies facing off.

[Hooley]

I don't think TW:W is in any way an attempt to rebrand or reboot Warhammer, it's gone.

That deal was most likely made with the game developer years ago, those games take a while to make.

GW isn't going to tell them to stop making it or something though just because they decided to wipe out WHFB and make AoS. Who turns down money? Heh

I agree, I think "Age of Sigmar" is the foundation to relaunch Warhammer Fantasy. Another thing that's interesting, is Total War: Warhammer is already referencing "The End Times" in-game. The image below I cropped from the Total War: WARHAMMER Gameplay Video - Azhag's Quest Battle Let's Play that came out a few days ago: https://youtu.be/p_AD4gHVrWU?t=12m14s



(By the way, how do you center an image?)

It reads: "The enemy will remember this defeat - it will be scorched into their racial memory until the End Times and beyond."

HOLY SIGMAR!! That's a blatant reference not only to "The End Times", but also "Age of Sigmar"!

If they're referencing the current state of the IP in this video game, that means Creative Assembly received preemptive knowledge from Games Workshop of the direction for Warhammer Fantasy years ago. If you'll indulge me, on December 6th, 2012, SEGA and Creative Assembly announced their partnership with Games Workshop to create a Warhammer Game.

Link: http://www.creative-assembly.com/news/1 ... ammer-game

The point I'm trying to make is this: Total War: Warhammer is not being made as a standalone product. I think this tells us it wasn't a fluke. And if that's the case, that means Games Workshop has NOT given up on the Old Warhammer World at all. I think in some ways this was poorly executed, but I don't think Games Workshop has abandoned that setting. There's hope in that, for the future of the IP.

[Deathcakes]

Like OP I had pretty much never experienced anything Warhammer before AOR. Heck - I didn't even realize that Warcraft, that I loved so much, was basically a diluted version of Warhammer.
But anyway I must say that the more I read about the lore and stuff - The better I like it. That goes for both Fantasy and 40K.

About the End Times - I just read a fleshed-out summary of the Chaos stuff from the end-times and I was pretty blown away actually. The story that follows seems a bit iffy maybe but not enough to deserve the amount of hate AOS has received in my amateurish opinion. Also consider the lore from an artistic stand-point - You don't want to became a one-trick dog and never learn anything new. Stagnation is in most cases an enemy of creativity and it takes guts to change a winning concept.


Anyway, about The End Times: It's storyline seems pretty scary actually. I mean the premise of the world ending and not for someone to rebuild or have conquered it - Just outright total devastation, death and nothingness.

It made me think twice about the destruction faction because if our game-plan is anything like the End Times then man... We're really horrible and not at all good at considering long-term quality of life!
I realize that AOR is like an alternate reality version of the lore (right?) but still!

I mean sure I wanna kill all the humies and stunties and shiny pointy ears as much as the next guy and gal but I wanna do it to make this Warhammer world a better place for me and my kin to continue to live in.

[TenTonHammer]

The end times was not "the end of the world" it was the culmination of every prophecy and stuff infact the way how the end times turned out was supposed to be completely up in the air and anyone could have won


unlike 40k where we know it will end with orks zoging everything, nids nom noming everything, or chaos/crons destroying everything


the fact that chaos won with archaon someone once again showing up in middenhiem out of nowhere again is just GW/BL being lazy

secondly the events of RoR would never relistically take place, malekith would never give a magical item so powerful that it would make every dark elf highlord drool over it to an ork

greenskins would never work with chaos/DE for more than like a week

[bloodi]

A thing that GW was criticized a lot for back in the past was them just not advancing their story, global campaigns like albion happened and it seemed like it had no effect on the world whatsoever, the only changes seemd to be when they decided to remove a race from the game due to low sales (ie chaos dwarves).

So with The end times Gw did their "its my ball and if i dont want to, no one plays with it" and not only advanced the story, they ended it.

This is why we cant have nice things.

[Taller]

To finally add my five cents... not specifically on "The End Times" but a general tendency as I think.

I got in contact with 40k like 10 years ago and loved the depth of the universe.

Warhammer fantasy was even more appealing for the very same reasons but for some reason it was quite difficult to find people playing it in my area.

Time passed and the more I saw GW do in order to "develop" both systems the more I grew tired of it.
To me it was basically a continuous shift from a great universe with potential for even greater stories to bigger guns, the biggest badasses of the biggest badasses which then got surpassed by the next release of even more badassy badasses.
It just seemed more and more rediculous.
Nothing wrong with epic battles/stories but if they leave no space for anything else and everyone just focuses on putting the one greatest warrior of them all on the table that is not enough. At least for me.

I always considered this very sad because from my point of view they ruined the universe and drove away seasoned players by that.
From a profit oriented point of view I can understand that. All those 12 year olds at the stores needed the biggest killer characters and whatnot but from what I heard they almost could not have done a better job to piss of most of the veteran players.
At least in my area it seems like at least two thirds of players of 40k or WHF I knew quit because of that policy.

Pretty sure that is not representative but to me the rules of either system are not as good as they could be and the storytelling component was neglected way too much in favor of getting new "must have" models released.

For those reasons I decided to give up on GW tabletop a little more than 3 years ago which I have never regreted.
The same seems to apply to roughly two thirds of all players I knew playing either system in my area.

Judgeing by what I keep picking up from people talking about GW I strongly doubt I will have a reason to look or come back.

[dragosh]

I dislike the conclusion of the end times because they destroyed the universe just so that they could sell new stuff.

That's how it feels like.

I just think that the end came too fast too quickly without any story development you get when something is being developed slowly towards a conclusion of a story.