AOE DPS - What is the closest to a BW?

[Renork]

It's not gonna get any better than BW. You can go change as a magus but you are not viable in anything other than orvr. You can be a rift bot and join a premade but only shitty premades die to rift/magnet premades :^)

Although mist isnt quite as effective in SC as ORVR its still a very nice skill to have, and magus dps in SC is still extremely good. Using mist to defend objectives is worth it alone.

Only idiots die to mist :^)

Dissolving Mist: Summons a 240 foot wide cloud of caustic mist that deals X Spirit damage every 2 seconds to targets in the cloud. After 10 seconds the cloud doubles in strength, dealing X*2 Spirit damage and 10 seconds later will double in strength again, dealing X*4 Spirit damage. If there are multiple Dissolving Mist in the same area only the highest level mist will deal damage.

Like I said before, ORVR magus does decent (sorc > magus still) because you can place mist on the door and people *have* to attack that door, or you can place it on the courtyard/balcony (you can move there but most people don't, which makes me go back to only idiots die to mist. In a scenario you can easily avoid mist, and the good players never die to it. I had plenty of matches yesterday and only random pugs die to mist + rolling winds.

[Lindisfarne]

It's not gonna get any better than BW. You can go change as a magus but you are not viable in anything other than orvr. You can be a rift bot and join a premade but only shitty premades die to rift/magnet premades :^)

Although mist isnt quite as effective in SC as ORVR its still a very nice skill to have, and magus dps in SC is still extremely good. Using mist to defend objectives is worth it alone.

Only idiots die to mist :^)

Dissolving Mist: Summons a 240 foot wide cloud of caustic mist that deals X Spirit damage every 2 seconds to targets in the cloud. After 10 seconds the cloud doubles in strength, dealing X*2 Spirit damage and 10 seconds later will double in strength again, dealing X*4 Spirit damage. If there are multiple Dissolving Mist in the same area only the highest level mist will deal damage.

Like I said before, ORVR magus does decent (sorc > magus still) because you can place mist on the door and people *have* to attack that door, or you can place it on the courtyard/balcony (you can move there but most people don't, which makes me go back to only idiots die to mist. In a scenario you can easily avoid mist, and the good players never die to it. I had plenty of matches yesterday and only random pugs die to mist + rolling winds.

you're right, no good player will get killed by mist, but i was just trying to say that using it to stop order from grabbing the bauble, or capping a flag, its really helpful.

[roadkillrobin]

highest burst AoE dmg will always be done by taaaadaaa...cordinated morale dumps from a multitude of of classes.

Sustained burst BW/Sorcs.
Sustained dps. Slayers/Choppas/Squig Herders (SW/Marauder at r40)
AoE utillity dps. Zealot - Magus - Engie - Runies

dps classes that completly lacks a decent AoE build are WH, WE's.

I haven't tried the WL AoE dps build, but from what i've heard it's really really bad. What i would change about it would probobly be to change Whilring Axe to do Spirit dmg and make it 8sec cd so it would have synnergy with SM's spirit ressist debuff and Whispering Winds.

[kweedko]

one word for you MELEEDDZEALOTFTW!!11

[footpatrol2]

You have to make mists/napalm important otherwise you are correct people will just run out of the mists/napalm.

Meaning in ORvR you stack your grp in the mist and start stacking a Asston of additional AoE into the mist/Napalm area. You have to build your group around the magus/engineer to get the most of it. Just Like people do with sorc's/BW. A rift magus/engineer is a waste without a grp supporting him. With a group its potentially deadly.

If Mdps wants to fight you they have to fight you in the mists/napalm if your group is stacking in the mists. This really works very well in a 12 man setting where you can also start using Hold the line tactics against ranged threats. Fighting extremely close to each other really benefits to Dwarves and Chaos racial playstyles. With Chaos 12 man you'll be completely debuff'd by aura's. Alot of buffs that come from dwarves require you to be intensely close to each other to get max effect. if everyone is stacked in a super close setting its extremely easy for your tanks to just switch guard. SOO many benefits to this playstyle for these races.

If you wanted too with coordination you could use 3 magus/engineers and time their mists/napalm to ensure that the mist is always hitting for max damage.

[peterthepan3]

Only one mist will work in a given location.

Magus don't have ''amazing dps'' in scenarios - that's fluff damage. People need to stop confusing DPS with damage.

In regards to OP's question: the only class that can deal AOE BURST dps similar to a BW is the slayer. Engi can but it is reliant on: a) M2; b) having all of your dots up, popping lightning rod and going to town with its pbaoe spammable (forgot name). SW is decent with LA later on, but not on par with BW's AOE. And if you're playing a SW you should be focusing on ST DPS/debuffing.

[Bankgobbo]

The closest is a MDPS AOE SH, but only in t4. I played one and would regularly get 1 million damage and more, with hundreds of death blows in city sieges.

Some might deny this, but that's only because they don't know how to set up and play one correctly.

Only and here's one proof I saved. I should have saved more.

http://i.imgur.com/LDUKjOr.jpg

If we had more MDPS AOE SH's in that city siege, we would have won easily and quickly.

[freshour]

Nice!!! Well I do appreciate all the info. I agree that a SW can really deal some hurt wiht M2 for sure along with that vengeance move for more damage for 10 seconds. I have been having a blast. I'll definitely bump this thread again in T4 to take more notes on the T4 meta for sure! My engi is only level 18 as it is mostly a cultivating side project that I just get boosted on while I make pots, but I have the build ready

Thanks again for everyone who chimed in.

[Vdova]

It's not gonna get any better than BW. You can go change as a magus but you are not viable in anything other than orvr. You can be a rift bot and join a premade but only shitty premades die to rift/magnet premades :^)

Although mist isnt quite as effective in SC as ORVR its still a very nice skill to have, and magus dps in SC is still extremely good. Using mist to defend objectives is worth it alone.

Only idiots die to mist :^)

Dissolving Mist: Summons a 240 foot wide cloud of caustic mist that deals X Spirit damage every 2 seconds to targets in the cloud. After 10 seconds the cloud doubles in strength, dealing X*2 Spirit damage and 10 seconds later will double in strength again, dealing X*4 Spirit damage. If there are multiple Dissolving Mist in the same area only the highest level mist will deal damage.

Like I said before, ORVR magus does decent (sorc > magus still) because you can place mist on the door and people *have* to attack that door, or you can place it on the courtyard/balcony (you can move there but most people don't, which makes me go back to only idiots die to mist. In a scenario you can easily avoid mist, and the good players never die to it. I had plenty of matches yesterday and only random pugs die to mist + rolling winds.

Even good players can die to mist if magus is smart engogh to add it in his AOE rotation, trust me .-) True storry

The closest is a MDPS AOE SH, but only in t4. I played one and would regularly get 1 million damage and more, with hundreds of death blows in city sieges.

Some might deny this, but that's only because they don't know how to set up and play one correctly.

Only and here's one proof I saved. I should have saved more.

http://i.imgur.com/LDUKjOr.jpg

If we had more MDPS AOE SH's in that city siege, we would have won easily and quickly.

We currently sitting at lvl 35. I wonder which skills/tactics past lvl 35 up to 40 makes such difference in this SHs garbage tree. SH only dmg modifier is only +15% dmg to enemies under 45feet, and 25% more dmg if no squig is presented, but SH will lose his armor buff from gas squig and become super squishy, while AOE choppa in full rage deal 50% more dmg +25% crit dmg, combined with full AOE tree it should outperform SH AOE by a mile. I dont know I havent played melee herder on live, but tried solo farming in PvE here in ror and even capped balistics(930) and 433 weapon sklil with 20% crit chance the dmg was awful compared to my AOE speced choppa.

If any class can perform simmilar or close to BW I would say its Slayer in classic ID/SL/Rampage spec, engi in AOE spec and M2 and sorc(I am not sure about this).

[roadkillrobin]

SH is on pair with BW allready. People just been brainwashed by people who havn't even tried it saying it's **** build. Try playing before commenitng pls.

The tactic slots you run for t4 is Sneaky Stabbin, All by myself, Pick on Yer Own Size and Streanght in Numbaz.

Loosing the Gas Squig isn't that big deal, BW and Sorc can do it without extra armor. And they are on the same armor class as SH without Gas Squig so that that point is invalid.
Also Bad Gas gives massive dps reduction.

You need alot of weaponskill. Currently you don't. But in t4 you gonna need to be around 50% or more armor pen. Pick on yer own size really helps with this. And thats a tactic slot we can't afford to slot atm. The morale pump is just to good to skip.

I dunno how you manage to get bad ressault with the AoE build compared to Choppas when you PVE AoE farm. Maybe your rotation is bad or somehing. I rally dunno how you can fail at the rotation tho as you pretty much only have 3-4 skills to keep track of. But then again Choppas are just 2
I'm hitting targets with Big Bouncing for 700-800 when i Bounce. Are you speccing for Balistic skill in renown points or something coz that don't get transfered to STR and you should focus on weaponskill rather then crit aswell.