T4 Chosen 6v6 build

[Jezz08]

Idk in sov gear still think 2 doks and 1 BG 1 chosen will be better then 2 chosen's.
M4's are nice and all butyou still have about 50sec's downtime on them.

[noisestorm]

Well idk about your build noisestorm why do u pick a m4 when the base m4 is just alot better? The spec i ran in live with a 6man did the job ( never died from guard dmg/put out good dmg (for a def tank)/ debuffs and cc.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=cho ... :4791:4792:

I was running ( at end game ) 2 bits def warpforge and 2 bits off warpforge with the def rr100 2hd wep,
all in all i had about 600-700 str and maxed out toughness with about 45%-50% parry and 40%ish crit. Worrked out fine could tank for days and could !Help! my dps with killing.

May sound insulting now, but if you dont see the advantage of Sprout Carapace over the standard m4, you certainly werent the best Chosen. Especially since most good Destro groups ran 2 chosen with it.

[Keyser]

Idk in sov gear still think 2 doks and 1 BG 1 chosen will be better then 2 chosen's.
M4's are nice and all butyou still have about 50sec's downtime on them.

I dont remember from live if you are able to run m4 one time per minute. But ok lets assume it is possible. Then you have m4 available at least 1/3 of the whole time with double chosen. And for the case you get in trouble in the meantime you can use m4 from shaman or dok.

Now some might say that even then, there is some time in which you dont have any morale ability available. Thats true but still: being able to use defensive morales so often increases your defense drastically.
For example, we can compare it with order where tanks can use m4 approximately once every 3 minutes.

[TenTonHammer]

1. As a chosen you only need two auras with str-, tough- or res. The other auras besides healdebuff are way too

str tough and resists are mandatory they not only buff you but also buff your groupmates as well and is needed to cancel out KOTBS auras

First of all you will cancel out the kotbs-auras because just like the chosen in my spec, most kotbs will run tough + res. Moreover, I dont like that argument at all because there are some better debuffs/buffs besides the one from kotbs.

But instead of looking at order, lets take a look at some possible setups with chosen:
1. 2x Chosen: One chosen will definitely spec healdebuff.

2. Chosen + BO
You can rid of the Str-Aura in my spec because of Da Biggest.

3. Chosen + BG
BG has a toughness debuff but can only buff one target toughness.
a) one of your healers is a shaman: ---> your grp has a non-grp-cleansable str-debuff --> you can get rid of str-aura.
b) no shaman-healer but at least 1 zealot: --> no str-debuff
c) 2xdok: no str-debuff and if the melee take ws-potion, you dont have a str-buff except the one from BG.

In conclusion we see that only in the setups 3b) and 3c), we could need all three auras. But even then I wouldnt take them for sure since str/toughness becomes less important, when WS takes over.

first off its false to say that kotbs will not run str aura because they need too for encouraged aim tactic

secondly you dont run x2 chosen because of aura redundancy, chosen does not have as many useful auras and tactics as kotbs who accutly are viable to run 2 of

second why i ask once again do you need a 25% meh inchd when you have dps classes that can provide you 50% inc hds, 6v6 is all about focusing target and bursting them down through guard which is why st 50% inchd is better than a AoE 25%



DA biggest debuff 1/7 stats on random targets with every proc for 10s Chosen auras reliably debuff a certain stat with 100% uptime so its better to have str, tough and resists up anyway


blessings and enchantments can be severed and in a fight the zells or shams might not have the time to waste a GCD on reapplying them

[Jezz08]

Noisestorm it may sound insulting but it really is not as its clear that u did not play alot near the end of the game and if u did never a 6man.

Why that M4 is not good is because of the slayers with high WS ( adding more armor helped the slayers as they had about 60% armor pen ) so tell me how adding more armor helped your group more then a 75% flat less dmg to the group???????

[Jezz08]

Yeh all morals have got a 1min cd on them, having 2 chosen's over a chosen/BG or chosen/BO is just not as good, for one chosen/BG can have 100% healdebuff up on the the person you are killing + the other person u are cleaving, 2 chosen dont give more the the group they give less, its different for order as kotbs have better tactics.

[StormX2]

@ tenTon , heal Debuff Aura is a backup., some groups we have been up against cleanse very efficiently, so even a 5 second cool down feels like forever when the enemy is receiving full heals.

in those cases i, and my team, are very happy to have a tiny, guaronteed, never cleansable 25% heal debuff.

Unless my DPS tells me its getting cleansed though, I dont run it.

[noisestorm]

Noisestorm it may sound insulting but it really is not as its clear that u did not play alot near the end of the game and if u did never a 6man.

Why that M4 is not good is because of the slayers with high WS ( adding more armor helped the slayers as they had about 60% armor pen ) so tell me how adding more armor helped your group more then a 75% flat less dmg to the group???????

So adding more Armor helps slayers deal more damage? No need to say anything further here - i rest my case.

PS: I did play a lot while we had rr100 and i was part of actually 2 6v6 groups on Destro side back then. Also i am posting here for the OP since he asked. If he actually values your opinion over mine then so be it, its his decision :>


PPS: Maybe you want to take a small look at the duration of the certain M4s. If you still don't get it, then thers sadly no hope for you.

[Jezz08]

30sec's of a m4 that WILL NOT help your group is still bad over 10sec's that your group WILL NOT DIE ( unless v a zerg and even then u can walk away if you have both tanks with m4 (75% less dmg)

[Jezz08]

Adding more armor helps slayers WS pen yep so over all a slayer will be pening more with more armor = more dmg, im guess the 6man u was in got rolled 24/7 and did not do much.

Over all i can see you are a player that does not know what he is talking about saying that a armor pot buff and 100 ap is better then a 75% less dmg to the group is like saying " i can stop a train with my donkey kong"