T2 and T3 population [NA]

[Moeroes]

T4 is dead as well. Basically nobody in my alliance bothers with RvR of any kind atm. It's sad.

[xearilo]

I don't understand these people who demand rewards for taking objectives and state that without objectives RVR is dead...

I am assuming none of them ever played DAOC where hours of rvr happened at milegates with zero objectives...

Why does anyone need this stupid carrot at the end of the stick, the PVP is the reward...

Enjoy the PVP, Embrace it.. If noone else is getting a renown reward for BOs then wtf does it matter if you are... the PVP is what matters.

[Tiggo]

I don't understand these people who demand rewards for taking objectives and state that without objectives RVR is dead...

I am assuming none of them ever played DAOC where hours of rvr happened at milegates with zero objectives...

Why does anyone need this stupid carrot at the end of the stick, the PVP is the reward...

Enjoy the PVP, Embrace it.. If noone else is getting a renown reward for BOs then wtf does it matter if you are... the PVP is what matters.

its the modern times... join the zerg, join the winner, demand instant rewards, now now now. fast fast fast.

[wanna993]

I don't understand these people who demand rewards for taking objectives and state that without objectives RVR is dead...

I am assuming none of them ever played DAOC where hours of rvr happened at milegates with zero objectives...

Why does anyone need this stupid carrot at the end of the stick, the PVP is the reward...

Enjoy the PVP, Embrace it.. If noone else is getting a renown reward for BOs then wtf does it matter if you are... the PVP is what matters.

Because on paper (not the case because of zerging) having several objectives around a map would send groups of players there. It's a place where both sides would meet and fight. Having more than one means it wouldn't just be fighting between the 2 warcamps.

Now taking an objective takes time (killing npcs, capping and waiting for second tick), so from that perspective it should be rewarded.

The map objectives give a clear sense of where to go and how your side progresses through the map. Imagine there being no keep. Why would you even go there and try to pvp? pvping vs a zerg isn't fun to begin with (individual skill and contribution feel trivial). This has nothing to do with

demand instant rewards, now now now. fast fast fast.

And before you quote DAOC again, there were plenty of max lvl, max rr, max inf, fully geared ppl before t4 released that were playing for the sake of pvp.

also you completely missed the topic. If there's no one to play with and against, you won't be able to "pvp just for the sake of it", thus not making you go into rvr lakes, thus making it feel more empty (and that's not even addressing how you then have to get to t4 other than pve grinding which is as unfun as it gets)

[randmtsk]

I don't understand these people who demand rewards for taking objectives and state that without objectives RVR is dead...

I am assuming none of them ever played DAOC where hours of rvr happened at milegates with zero objectives...

Why does anyone need this stupid carrot at the end of the stick, the PVP is the reward...

Enjoy the PVP, Embrace it.. If noone else is getting a renown reward for BOs then wtf does it matter if you are... the PVP is what matters.

The thing is...in NA time...there is no PvP....I stated earlier I really despise questing and wanted to play this game just to PvP...but when lakes are dead and you can't get a SC pop and no one wants to fight...what do you do??

Can you debolster from T3 to T1 and still get a few xp per kill? That might be the best option at this point for NA players.

[Akalukz]

The thing is...in NA time...there is no PvP....I stated earlier I really despise questing and wanted to play this game just to PvP...but when lakes are dead and you can't get a SC pop and no one wants to fight...what do you do??

Can you debolster from T3 to T1 and still get a few xp per kill? That might be the best option at this point for NA players.

how does one go about debosltering to lower tier and doing this. T1 seems active, i will take minuscule advancement over 0 in T2/T3

[Genisaurus]

The thing is...in NA time...there is no PvP....I stated earlier I really despise questing and wanted to play this game just to PvP...but when lakes are dead and you can't get a SC pop and no one wants to fight...what do you do??

Can you debolster from T3 to T1 and still get a few xp per kill? That might be the best option at this point for NA players.

how does one go about debosltering to lower tier and doing this. T1 seems active, i will take minuscule advancement over 0 in T2/T3

You can find all information on debolstering by typing ".ror debolster" in-game.

[deathiron]

I don't understand these people who demand rewards for taking objectives and state that without objectives RVR is dead...

I am assuming none of them ever played DAOC where hours of rvr happened at milegates with zero objectives...

Why does anyone need this stupid carrot at the end of the stick, the PVP is the reward...

Enjoy the PVP, Embrace it.. If noone else is getting a renown reward for BOs then wtf does it matter if you are... the PVP is what matters.

The thing is...in NA time...there is no PvP....I stated earlier I really despise questing and wanted to play this game just to PvP...but when lakes are dead and you can't get a SC pop and no one wants to fight...what do you do??

Can you debolster from T3 to T1 and still get a few xp per kill? That might be the best option at this point for NA players.

After getting some good abilities after T1, it just pain going back. And yes this is EU game it seems. Not much PVP after 9 PM eastern. On same note i think that T2 and T3 are quite bad even for EU now there is like 750 pep online and tier 3 has Tier 3 (27) : and Tier 2 (95) compared to Tier 4 (445) just lol.

[Akalukz]

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You can find all information on debolstering by typing ".ror debolster" in-game.

Awesome thanks! I love the fact that you guys are building a better war. On top of this, my son and I are playing the game together again!

[Slik]

I don't understand these people who demand rewards for taking objectives and state that without objectives RVR is dead...

I am assuming none of them ever played DAOC where hours of rvr happened at milegates with zero objectives...

Why does anyone need this stupid carrot at the end of the stick, the PVP is the reward...

Enjoy the PVP, Embrace it.. If noone else is getting a renown reward for BOs then wtf does it matter if you are... the PVP is what matters.

Pretty simple actually....

People don't want to me stuck in T2 a T3 with forty other people trying to get to T4 for months.

Your argument is only valid at max level. How am I supose to enjoy anything with forty people in my tier? Pretty ignorant