[Magus] Why so weak?

[Daknallbomb]

atm i run http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=mag ... 6:;0:0:0:0:

U dont have hard burst but u got a rly nice spammable st dmg , and rend wind never is a non crit cause it hits three times ;D my rend winds (if all three crits ) got atm 33 % bonus crit are about 1k dmg + pet dmg and mayb mist or some dots , i spam a few rend winds on target like 3-5 times than soi +ifoc

with that u have better mobility but not that burst but it still can do with pet and dot and mist (if they are dumb enough to stay in ;D nearly 2k dps on a single target and u can hold it up about 10 seconds permanently . if the target is not overhealed its dead , or if some other focus same target its dead . i love to play like that cause dat boc soi vl rotation is sooooo slow ;D and not my style .
i know many maga players will say no thats not good but i think my playstyle rox i get flamed bye order like cheater or something , i get many group invites from destru (hey common play with us as dd ) think thats the best compliment i can get as a magus ;D )

and its nice 4 killin tanks or amssive distrupt healers . just love it .

and if u see here it works .
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but there i used ap taktik instead rend winds taktik but now i got enough ap+ to use rend winds taktik

[Bozzax]

The real question is why does a Magus/Engie underperform horrendously in 6v6 context while being very strong in 1v1? (provided you know how to)

No offence mate but if anyone can post some SS of a Magus/Engie doing well consistently in CW we can talk about it but most other SS are of no real value.

[Daknallbomb]

My post dont mean that magus is good aß IT is . But its not that weak as ppl say too. Magus rly need changes. And ye i can give u the ss what u wanna See. But i think a well played other rdps perfom better. But i Do constantly well in solo pug in premate in cw and in rvr. But i Play years magus. Most ppl dont manage IT to Play best from magus what magus can. Fakt is magus need changes. Fakt is magus can perfom well if well played.

[Tesq]

magus it's a dot class, it mean istant use of skill and few cast time--> it need to be more dyanamic and be able to played more on the move and less static if it's in danger same for engi. For exemple the KB it would be better have it on the move instead static, a little buff that would make magus life easier. That and other cast on the move for mid engi/magus, that way they can dps and kite while staying around pet.
Then yes the magus/engi were designed as a support dps, engi can heal ppl around him and magus have a debuff that increase damages on 1 ppl by 15%, considering pull and considering open rvr and how much strong can stuff like dissolving mist be and how much cc will became better the more rvr sets we will get it will be pretty hard balance magus in 6vs 6 with out make it broken in rvr.

Regarding that maybe all st spec could be balanced around 6vs 6 and all aoe spec around orvr, that would not make useless st spec in orvr anyway. We had st party in live too to finish ppl while aoe keep pressure.

regarding magus/bw pairing those classes have definetly some cross mirrorsoe maybe make their path (firsth path) more similar to each other.

[Daknallbomb]

hmm i dont think magus is a dot class . i just use exact two dots with mine .
just in 1on1 i use more

[Tesq]

i should have been more specific, that is a my miscomception, the mid path is more like dot /spiritual damages and should be more dynamic as you have less range, the first path should be more bw style cos have more range than mid so more static gameplay , the third path appart pull need an rewamp, similar solution can be found for engi too.

[Daknallbomb]

hm okay but i play mid path and just use 1-2 dots and one of tham are a debuff not a dmg dot

[Bozzax]

magus it's a dot class,

Magus:

But i Do constantly well in solo pug in premate in cw and in rvr.

Magus:

and just use 1-2 dots and one of tham are a debuff not a dmg dot

So why do Magus underperform in 6v6 and perform well in 1v1?

How does being dots "heavy" with long durations and CDs affect your ability to assist in a 6man? What is the average time for a burst kill in 6v6 vs dot durations?

How much damage does these long dots actually do in an environment where everybody gets a cleanse ever 2.5s or so?

[Daknallbomb]

what i sad in 1on1 i use dots ;D in 6on6 dots arent good so dont use it u got enough dmg casts .
and magus dont udnerperform in 6on6 . i never rly NEVER loosed a premate fight where i was dd magus . not ONE but we are a rly good group . its not udnerperforming its just sorc can do more dmg nothing else .

[Bozzax]

I dont udnerperform in 6on6 . i never rly NEVER loosed a premate fight where i was dd magus . not ONE but we are a rly good group

Fixed it ... srsly cudos for pulling it off tho and knowing how to play around the problems of the Magus class.

NOTE: To be honest though I don't consider SORCs being a top pick for a 6v6 either as they are fail at assist / fast target switching. DD Magus is actually better at that and a tad less "weakest link" if geared specced properly.