WH 40/40 Build thoughts

[Dabbart]

I see you also love BaL. Question though, how do/did you find it in ORvR? Even in some SCs, I find that the enemy simply gets melted too quickly for BaL to ever be effective. EW supports that in a very specific way.

Small scale BaL is my love. That final tick has earned me a lot of DBs, and they tend to be the most satisfying ones.

I know Riposte sucks in general terms in T4. But flanking provides less raw DPS in a duel. I don't see any other tactic being more beneficial until the high RRs. In dueling against melee classes only obviously. Flowing Accusations is mandatory in my experience if you are dueling a half-way decent kiter. After your initial dump you have to be able to pour on just enough, or else you're toast.

2h tanks are easy in my experience. Melee DoKs are nigh impossible out of a dedicated parry build. At least, for my skill-set.

What I am really shooting for is a single build that can cope with any type of opponent. I don't like the idea of respeccing between fights, hence why I am trying to hedge my bets with def and raw DPS.

I played WH on Live, only to RR6x, my WP was my main.

[EW08]

2) http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wh; ... :4365:4375:

Very effective against enemy healers and when you're used to small scale gank cause of double heal debuff. A little bit more effective vs tanks and doks.

I remember something close to this build was was the one I used back in live. I just hit t4 a few days ago and just wanted to ask what renown skills would go well with build #2? I can't remember what I was using back then and I'm not sure whether to get Blade Master, Deft Defender, Opportunist, or whatever else.

[Bretin]

could someone tell me the benefits of speccing Exit Wounds? i really don't see any. still every WH is running it for some reason. i played a WH from the first to the last day of WAR and it was my first character ever. it was at least a bit comprehensible if people abused the bugged morale regen on live to make a use of Excommunicate. Even that i considered as a waste.

so: Why exactly do people spec Exit Wounds?

The tooltip damage at 5 accusations is 12% higher than Absolution but the skill itself has a 10s CD.
So basically you will win 12% damage compared to Absolution in a timeframe of 10s.

I'm sure i can get this amount of damage back by specing into Judgment just from the increased tooltip damage on PW, Torment and Absolution.

Besides that we now have an ability - BAL - which hits for a total of 1422+715 (raw tooltip) for the costs of one GCD. Both the end tick and the DoT's will hit your target out of a GCD within the same time frame of 10s.

Not only that but BAL with his end tick is the hardest hitting ability a WH has access too. You also increase the base damage of your core abilities over some unnecessary bullsht you use to cover things like BAL or your HD.

So why on earth would anyone spec EW over BAL? If i see a single "toughness debuff" argument i'm gonna kill you.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wh; ... :;0:0:0:0:

here is your build.. Abso spam + BAL on SoD has always been the highest damage output and no matter which veteran came up with this EW spec, he was a god damn moron.

No need to respec ever whether for duels or group.

In certain situations you can drop IF for Vindication, depending on your RA spec and situation.

[kryss]

could someone tell me the benefits of speccing Exit Wounds? i really don't see any. still every WH is running it for some reason. i played a WH from the first to the last day of WAR and it was my first character ever. it was at least a bit comprehensible if people abused the bugged morale regen on live to make a use of Excommunicate. Even that i considered as a waste.

so: Why exactly do people spec Exit Wounds?

The tooltip damage at 5 accusations is 12% higher than Absolution but the skill itself has a 10s CD.
So basically you will win 12% damage compared to Absolution in a timeframe of 10s.

I'm sure i can get this amount of damage back by specing into Judgment just from the increased tooltip damage on PW, Torment and Absolution.

Besides that we now have an ability - BAL - which hits for a total of 1422+715 (raw tooltip) for the costs of one GCD. Both the end tick and the DoT's will hit your target out of a GCD within the same time frame of 10s.

Not only that but BAL with his end tick is the hardest hitting ability a WH has access too. You also increase the base damage of your core abilities over some unnecessary bullsht you use to cover things like BAL or your HD.

So why on earth would anyone spec EW over BAL? If i see a single "toughness debuff" argument i'm gonna kill you.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wh; ... :;0:0:0:0:

here is your build.. Abso spam + BAL on SoD has always been the highest damage output and no matter which veteran came up with this EW spec, he was a god damn moron.

No need to respec ever whether for duels or group.

In certain situations you can drop IF for Vindication, depending on your RA spec and situation.

This. I am a mediocre WL on RoR, but I had a RR80 WH on live and this was the best allaround spec I tried. Was a fan of Bal+blasphemy, but this melted stuff all around.

[noisestorm]

My problem with BaL for a long time on RoR was simply the not working knockdown. If you KD people they turn around and unless you blow FP your bal just wouldnt go off no matter what you do and you wasted probably 2-3 gcds and didnt even get your BaL off in the end. But overall yes, BaL and the extra torment damage is better to have. And allthough you dont wanna hear it a 230 toughness debuff really isnt that bad actually

PS: the knockdown issue got btw fixed from the serverside, while the visual turning still remains. Even if people turn this will not be registered from the server!

[TenTonHammer]

could someone tell me the benefits of speccing Exit Wounds? i really don't see any. still every WH is running it for some reason. i played a WH from the first to the last day of WAR and it was my first character ever. it was at least a bit comprehensible if people abused the bugged morale regen on live to make a use of Excommunicate. Even that i considered as a waste.

so: Why exactly do people spec Exit Wounds?

The tooltip damage at 5 accusations is 12% higher than Absolution but the skill itself has a 10s CD.
So basically you will win 12% damage compared to Absolution in a timeframe of 10s.

I'm sure i can get this amount of damage back by specing into Judgment just from the increased tooltip damage on PW, Torment and Absolution.

Besides that we now have an ability - BAL - which hits for a total of 1422+715 (raw tooltip) for the costs of one GCD. Both the end tick and the DoT's will hit your target out of a GCD within the same time frame of 10s.

Not only that but BAL with his end tick is the hardest hitting ability a WH has access too. You also increase the base damage of your core abilities over some unnecessary bullsht you use to cover things like BAL or your HD.

So why on earth would anyone spec EW over BAL? If i see a single "toughness debuff" argument i'm gonna kill you.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wh; ... :;0:0:0:0:

here is your build.. Abso spam + BAL on SoD has always been the highest damage output and no matter which veteran came up with this EW spec, he was a god damn moron.

No need to respec ever whether for duels or group.

In certain situations you can drop IF for Vindication, depending on your RA spec and situation.

People spec'd EW becuase it was one of the strongest single target debuffs in the game making it nice for grp play along with the inc HD?

[Bretin]

And allthough you dont wanna hear it a 230 toughness debuff really isnt that bad actually

People spec'd EW becuase it was one of the strongest single target debuffs in the game making it nice for grp play along with the inc HD?

debuff of what? tough, ws and strength. since you mentioned groupplay: all 3 are equally good covered by either SM and/or Kotbs.

ofc at 5 stacks EW is double as high as the kotbs/sm ones but if you guys really think a difference of 120 str / 120 tough (at best) is that much of an dmg decrease/increase you might also believe in the easter bunny.

let's do the math for direct damage:
EW: 240/5*1,5= 72
NB: 120/5*1,5=36
Difference: 36

Spoiler:

dot's are calculated different but whether does the EW specced WH rely on his DoTs nor the second dps in his group so it's subsidiary anyway

that's the tooltip damage increase/decrease your group receives when comparing the max. debuff values of Natures Blade to Exit Wounds.

36 tooltip damage pre mitigation, guard & challenge. if you think that this is a justified trade for the dmg loss on the core Judgmenet abilites + the loss of BAL i am done.

WS debuff is even more useless since destru usually plays with at least one marauder and quite a lot of resistance damage.

more arguments for that epic ability? i let the KD bug count as an argument pre fix.

[Vdova]

And allthough you dont wanna hear it a 230 toughness debuff really isnt that bad actually

People spec'd EW becuase it was one of the strongest single target debuffs in the game making it nice for grp play along with the inc HD?

debuff of what? tough, ws and strength. since you mentioned groupplay: all 3 are equally good covered by either SM and/or Kotbs.

ofc at 5 stacks EW is double as high as the kotbs/sm ones but if you guys really think a difference of 120 str / 120 tough (at best) is that much of an dmg decrease/increase you might also believe in the easter bunny.

let's do the math for direct damage:
EW: 240/5*1,5= 72
NB: 120/5*1,5=36
Difference: 36

Spoiler:

dot's are calculated different but whether does the EW specced WH rely on his DoTs nor the second dps in his group so it's subsidiary anyway

that's the tooltip damage increase/decrease your group receives when comparing the max. debuff values of Natures Blade to Exit Wounds.

36 tooltip damage pre mitigation, guard & challenge. if you think that this is a justified trade for the dmg loss on the core Judgmenet abilites + the loss of BAL i am done.

WS debuff is even more useless since destru usually plays with at least one marauder and quite a lot of resistance damage.

more arguments for that epic ability? i let the KD bug count as an argument pre fix.

I have tried WH on live when I needed short break from my WE was around rr 90 ish. It was short journey(mainly in T3 up to rr 60 in T4) and to be honest I found EW spec more versatile, than BaL for some reasons I will try to explain below.

Traditional gank spec on 40/40: http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wh; ... :;;0:0:0:0:

Pros:
extremely effective against mdpsers(combined with riposte) or kiters(BaL - strong dot type "fire and forget")
high frontload burst with 1.4k - 2k crits from ending ticks of BaL
high survivability(100% parry for 5s) on rr 50+ also 100% disrubt for 7s(Shroud of Magnus)
higher dmg for torment

Cons:
weaker against tanks and healers who detaunt in time before KD+Bal or just have high level pots.
if target get heals lack of inc heal debuff is huge disadvantage
if FP is on CD its harder to apply if target manage his positioning.

Traditional group/EW spec on 40/40: http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wh; ... :;;0:0:0:0:

Pros:
inc heal debuff
Huge stats debuff(defensive tanks after debuff deals nearly to zero dmg and are easy kill by Torment spam)
from rr 50+ also Seal of destruction(50% armor ignore for 7s)

cons:
less burst
weaker dot(burn heretic)
little less torment dmg
For anyone who is rr 40 ish BaL spec is better. If You are rr 50+ and can spec for another point in mastery tree I would change it to EW and mentioned 50% armor ignore buff.

Those are my 2 cents, but not from RoR, but from Live.

[Jail]

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wh; ... 3:;0:0:0:0:

Best spec imo.

[reactor24]

could someone tell me the benefits of speccing Exit Wounds? i really don't see any. still every WH is running it for some reason. i played a WH from the first to the last day of WAR and it was my first character ever. it was at least a bit comprehensible if people abused the bugged morale regen on live to make a use of Excommunicate. Even that i considered as a waste.

so: Why exactly do people spec Exit Wounds?

The tooltip damage at 5 accusations is 12% higher than Absolution but the skill itself has a 10s CD.
So basically you will win 12% damage compared to Absolution in a timeframe of 10s.

I'm sure i can get this amount of damage back by specing into Judgment just from the increased tooltip damage on PW, Torment and Absolution.

Besides that we now have an ability - BAL - which hits for a total of 1422+715 (raw tooltip) for the costs of one GCD. Both the end tick and the DoT's will hit your target out of a GCD within the same time frame of 10s.

Not only that but BAL with his end tick is the hardest hitting ability a WH has access too. You also increase the base damage of your core abilities over some unnecessary bullsht you use to cover things like BAL or your HD.

So why on earth would anyone spec EW over BAL? If i see a single "toughness debuff" argument i'm gonna kill you.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wh; ... :;0:0:0:0:

here is your build.. Abso spam + BAL on SoD has always been the highest damage output and no matter which veteran came up with this EW spec, he was a god damn moron.

No need to respec ever whether for duels or group.

In certain situations you can drop IF for Vindication, depending on your RA spec and situation.

Bretin, what renown skills do you recommend for that build?