Nerfed Buttons

[Toonfish]

Im clicking every button with my mouse until w, a, s, d. So, I dont need it and if its gone that would be at least 16,34 % damage out of the game. That would increase the TTK which is good.

[Stilton]

I couldn't edit my post.. But as a scummy NB user i wanted to reply again to add...

If nb conditional checks are removed, I will merely setup buffhead notification(s) with big icons above enemies heads displaying their debuff's and lose a clean ui and a lot of hotbar buttons ... (or gain a lot more, depends on how you look at it xD ) -- Yes i will have to "do it myself" ... But i think i can handle that. I don't see that as being any great 'requirement' or 'feat' of skill.. more a 'hassle' would be my description.. But hey whatever, if it makes people happy I pity anyone who considers 'making the decision to mash 1 or 2' a 'skill'.


Someone previously mentioned /assist? is there addons that do that lol? because if that's still a thing in this.. i would've thought that should be of higher on the list of things to 'fix'; anything like that is surely a far greater detriment to 'lowering the overall skill ceiling' ?


Removing any form of automation is a sound goal. Ultimately i think this will have marginal impact, but i'm not against removing it.. xD but nobody should be reading this i'm also an idiot.

[Zealote]

An Ironbreaker to my own heart, I relate so much to this.

I actually missed the 'X' off that list as well

@Penril/Azarael discussion: Yeah as I said somewhere else in the thread (I think I did, at least...), it's the conditionals more so than the basic fixed queues, and subsequent reduction in keys needed, that I/some other ppl care about when it comes to NB. Tbh my last post was just my semi-off-topic, general opinion that it is still easier/advantageous (to whatever extent) to be using few buttons.

may i suggest maybe trying a shift+Q,E,R,T,G,C,V , for me the pink on shift or ctrl still allows me to reach the rest of the keys, i use numbers between 1-8 with my mouse the q and e for targeting , r, f and c all with the shift and ctrl corespondents that's so many keybinds right there even if i only went from 1-4 on the keybord and didnt have the mouse.

edit: i know you probably already know this and dont use it because you dont like it, but ill leave for any who want it XD

I have actually tried using shift in the past, but have always found it really awkward myself, even though it seems to be what most other people use. Might try it again though, I know when I first started using a mouse however long ago (after using the arrow keys in combination with strafing keys, on a laptop ) it felt really weird at first, but now I couldn't imagine going back; maybe the same would happen with shift!

[Siebzhen]

For me NB allows me to physicaly play the game. had my left hand crushed in an industrial accident I have most of its movement back but specific key presses are hellish or out right agonizing to use. shift, control, z, x, anything past 5 other than c v b are a no go. I try to do as much as I can my self and use NB as a means to shrink the number of keys I have to map since I am loseing 2 keys and 2 modifiers ( around 30 actual keybinds lost)

When NB was broken on Live I was forced to give up some of my favorite classes but it is what it is, If its hurting the game some how get rid of it. I'll just have to change up my classes like i did on live.

[Arbich]

If nb conditional checks are removed, I will merely setup buffhead notification(s) with big icons above enemies heads displaying their debuff's and lose a clean ui and a lot of hotbar buttons ... (or gain a lot more, depends on how you look at it xD ) -- Yes i will have to "do it myself" ... But i think i can handle that. I don't see that as being any great 'requirement' or 'feat' of skill.. more a 'hassle' would be my description.. But hey whatever, if it makes people happy I pity anyone who considers 'making the decision to mash 1 or 2' a 'skill'.

And I pity anyone, that is not aware ( ) when the cooldown of a certain ability is over without looking at his hotbar.
If some classes are really to difficult to play without a cast sequence addon, the devs should maybe address them directly and should get rid of addons with cast sequences.

Discussion about conditional checks are hillarious. Just ask yourself why the devs add two skills instead simply put the condition in the same skill (e.g. razor strike and torment).

[PartizanRUS]

All Ive been reading is arguments why it should stay and very few why it should go. Moast people who are against NB just states thats its a cheat without any elaboration.

Rubbish. The arguments against NB have been made repeatedly.

1. Makes decisions for the player by analysing the game. Selecting or blocking a skill for a situation based on conditions is what the player should do, not an addon. It should be bannable based on this alone. Let me also add that it can make this selection faster than is humanly possible. NB can check something at the very instant that the client processes it, so it does not have the approximately 200-300ms reaction time of a human.

2. Reduces execution load. If you can't handle however many keybinds your class needs or execute the rotations required without help, then you don't deserve to. Whether you like it or not, managing key allocations and executing the right combinations without making a mistake is a skill. If you don't have it, you should not be able to delegate it to any kind of addon to do it for you.

Most of the NB defenders resort to things like "Oh if NB were gone we'd play just the same and you'd have to blame something else."

So, there's no problem, then. Away with it and let's see money put where your mouths are. If the addon is so damn inconsequential, then we can get rid of it without a single complaint, can't we?

1: Thats your opinions. My opinion is that a descisions is made by a action. Without a action its still just a sugestion. Noone is pressing the button for you.

2: So I gues you didn't read my post about my friend with Reumatism. Who can't play this game without addons that sequences abillties coz he can't reach more then 2 keys at once? And while on the topic were do you stand on voice activated keyboards were you don't even have to press a button?

What a pile of nonsense from you. Again.
1: Thats a fact, NB is pressing buttons for you. NB is cancerous exploit and Mythic was too lazy to ban it, because they suck. If you too blind to see that, thats your problem.
2: Nobody cares about your "mystery friend" with Reumatism. Make him good AHK script and let him do PVE. You are not supposed to play pvp game with few buttons, thats plain stupid. If you can't play PvP game with lowest skill demand then simply uninstall.

[Penril]

2: Nobody cares about your "mystery friend" with Reumatism. Make him good AHK script and let him do PVE. You are not supposed to play pvp game with few buttons, thats plain stupid. If you can't play PvP game with lowest skill demand then simply uninstall.

Unless your source is God, this is simply ridiculous. I could name several PvP games that use way less buttons than WAR, require way more skill, and are way more popular and succesful.

Sure, most are probably MOBAs and FPS. But there are some MMOs as well, like Guild Wars 2 and WoW. Yes, in WoW you can have a ton of skills, but you can use cast sequence macros there (totally allowed). And love them or hate them, those games are still around and kicking with millions of players. WoW even has huge Arena tournaments (not sure about GW2).

Don't want to derail the thread. But this post just irritated me... sorry everyone for the derail.

edit: It just hit me. I was gonna say something like "maybe if we could have cast sequence macros in WAR and delete NB forever", but I immediately realized that many people would ask for that to be banned as well.

[Ossos]

the "mystery friend" with Reumatism could be a problem that afect entire 6v6 "pro" guilds ;p and many others that play just for fun....

[Dalgrimar]

2: Nobody cares about your "mystery friend" with Reumatism. Make him good AHK script and let him do PVE. You are not supposed to play pvp game with few buttons, thats plain stupid. If you can't play PvP game with lowest skill demand then simply uninstall.

Unless your source is God, this is simply ridiculous. I could name several PvP games that use way less buttons than WAR, require way more skill, and are way more popular and succesful.

Sure, most are probably MOBAs and FPS. But there are some MMOs as well, like Guild Wars 2 and WoW. Yes, in WoW you can have a ton of skills, but you can use cast sequence macros there (totally allowed). And love them or hate them, those games are still around and kicking with millions of players. WoW even has huge Arena tournaments (not sure about GW2).

Don't want to derail the thread. But this post just irritated me... sorry everyone for the derail.

edit: It just hit me. I was gonna say something like "maybe if we could have cast sequence macros in WAR and delete NB forever", but I immediately realized that many people would ask for that to be banned as well.

Couldnt have sayed it better
+1

[dur3al]

Can NB be used to evade the bunny hop debuff on this server? Food for thought.

Woatan! <3

Pm me on destro Dureal, or order Nerfed Buttons, I'm back playing this

On your comment though, before I quit live, I heard there was a way to disable ID from slayers that doks were abusing using some addon/mod or something.

Another question is, is there an addon to create rotations? Sort of a NB without conditions?